Heap Shields was Re: Re: Accurail Offset Twin


SUVCWORR@...
 

Stewart did offer the heap shield at one time as a separate part. I don't know if Bowser is still offering the or not. It was a add-on part to make the lone original demonstrator PRR H39 which had the heap shield. The shield was dropped from the production run of H39's. The shield was included on the demonstrator at the insistence of C&O who along with N&W partnered with the PRR to develop the H39.

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From: lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
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Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:28 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin


I would also point out that the Athearn offset twin has always seemed
flawed to me. It seems about a foot too wide. The flat end version
hasn't been available as undec or L&N for ages it seems, then the
heap shield version has one tapered end and one notch end.
When I look at photos of L&N cars, every notch end car is notched
both ends. Every taper end car is tapered both ends. Never found
one with the Athearn version, one of each.
I really NEED more offset hoppers. OK, maybe need is too strong a
word. Want.
Does anyone offer add-on heap shields? To put on flat end cars?
Come on Dennis, number 7712 by Christmas? Please Santa?
Chuck Peck


Michael Aufderheide
 

Westerfield sells a 'Hopper Car Detail Set' # 2190 which includes angled heap shealds.  they also sell two other radial hopper ends as detail parts which could be used as donors for others. 
 
See:
 
www.westerfield.biz and go to the Detail Parts link at the bottom of the page.
 
Mike Aufderheide

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From: SUVCWORR@... <SUVCWORR@...>
Subject: Heap Shields was Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin
To: STMFC@...
Date: Thursday, November 19, 2009, 11:56 AM


 






Stewart did offer the heap shield at one time as a separate part. I don't know if Bowser is still offering the or not. It was a add-on part to make the lone original demonstrator PRR H39 which had the heap shield. The shield was dropped from the production run of H39's. The shield was included on the demonstrator at the insistence of C&O who along with N&W partnered with the PRR to develop the H39.

-----Original Message-----
From: lnnrr <lnnrr@yahoo. com>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thu, Nov 19, 2009 1:28 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin

I would also point out that the Athearn offset twin has always seemed
flawed to me. It seems about a foot too wide. The flat end version
hasn't been available as undec or L&N for ages it seems, then the
heap shield version has one tapered end and one notch end.
When I look at photos of L&N cars, every notch end car is notched
both ends. Every taper end car is tapered both ends. Never found
one with the Athearn version, one of each.
I really NEED more offset hoppers. OK, maybe need is too strong a
word. Want.
Does anyone offer add-on heap shields? To put on flat end cars?
Come on Dennis, number 7712 by Christmas? Please Santa?
Chuck Peck













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soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:




Stewart did offer the heap shield at one time as a separate part. I don't know if Bowser is still offering the or not.
The biggest problem is the "heap shields" used during the era twin hoppers were built were an integral part pf the end… that is, the end sheet and whatever bracing was used on the end just extended unbroken above the level of the top of the sides. Some later applications to larger hoppers built in the sixties had heap shields that appeared to be add-ons that were attached to the top chord of the end framing. These would be a natural for a separate detail part (and somebody did offer them at one time) but don't do any good for the steam era twins.

To do ends with heap shields entirely new end inserts are required: one new set for each different shape. $$$

Dennis


Garth G. Groff <ggg9y@...>
 

Friends,

Roundhouse also used to offer a C&O-style notched heap shield, also a separate part. I believe it was meant to go on their 40' gondola, but AFAIK it was also correct for some classes of hoppers.

Kind regards,


Garth G. Groff

SUVCWORR@... wrote:


Stewart did offer the heap shield at one time as a separate part. I don't know if Bowser is still offering the or not. It was a add-on part to make the lone original demonstrator PRR H39 which had the heap shield. The shield was dropped from the production run of H39's. The shield was included on the demonstrator at the insistence of C&O who along with N&W partnered with the PRR to develop the H39.



lnnrr <lnnrr@...>
 

I'll certainly go looking into the Westerfield, Bowser, and Roundhouse
suggestions that have been posted. Thanks
As far as add-on heap shields go, I'll gladly carve off the
top of the flat ends to add the heap shields. However, if
someone (someone, wink) would make a hopper with an unfinished
top on the ends and include alternate flat strip or heap
shields, that might make a lot of people happy. The seam
would hide with a little ACC and weathering.
Chuck Peck

--- In STMFC@..., "soolinehistory" <destorzek@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:




Stewart did offer the heap shield at one time as a separate part. I don't know if Bowser is still offering the or not.
The biggest problem is the "heap shields" used during the era twin hoppers were built were an integral part pf the end… that is, the end sheet and whatever bracing was used on the end just extended unbroken above the level of the top of the sides. Some later applications to larger hoppers built in the sixties had heap shields that appeared to be add-ons that were attached to the top chord of the end framing. These would be a natural for a separate detail part (and somebody did offer them at one time) but don't do any good for the steam era twins.

To do ends with heap shields entirely new end inserts are required: one new set for each different shape. $$$

Dennis


cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

The biggest problem is the "heap shields" used during the era twin hoppers were built were an integral part pf the end… that is, the end sheet and whatever bracing was used on the end just extended unbroken above the level of the top of the sides. Some later applications to larger hoppers built in the sixties had heap shields that appeared to be add-ons that were attached to the top chord of the end framing. These would be a natural for a separate detail part (and somebody did offer them at one time) but don't do any good for the steam era twins.>
I still have several sets of brass castings of an entire end with heap shield that date back to perhaps the '70s or '80s designed for the Athearn hopper. I also have some plastic heap shield castings from (I believe) Roundhouse. Never used any of them and would love a good model that included them.
CJ RileyBainbridge Island WA

Istill have several sets of brss















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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

cj riley wrote:
I still have several sets of brass castings of an entire end with heap shield that date back to perhaps the '70s or '80s designed for the Athearn hopper. I also have some plastic heap shield castings from (I believe) Roundhouse. Never used any of them and would love a good model that included them.
I have a pair of these ends also. I don't know who originally produced them, though. Nice parts.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


water.kresse@...
 

Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of soft tooling made off these brass model ends?



Al Kresse

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Sent: Thursday, November 19, 2009 7:00:08 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Heap Shields  was  Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin

The biggest problem is the "heap shields" used during the era twin hoppers were built were an integral part pf the end… that is, the end sheet and whatever bracing was used on the end just extended unbroken above the level of the top of the sides. Some later applications to larger hoppers built in the sixties had heap shields that appeared to be add-ons that were attached to the top chord of the end framing. These would be a natural for a separate detail part (and somebody did offer them at one time) but don't do any good for the steam era twins.>
I still have several sets of brass castings of an entire end with heap shield that date back to perhaps the '70s or '80s designed for the Athearn hopper. I also have some plastic heap shield castings from (I believe) Roundhouse. Never used any of them and would love a good model that included them.
CJ RileyBainbridge Island WA

Istill have several sets of brss


 



  






      

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pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
 

Al Kresse:

Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of
soft tooling made off these brass model ends?
If CJR wants to make the brass ends available for that, yes.

Tom Madden


rdgbuff56
 

I remember these parts. I know that someone knows the source of these but my curiosity has the best of me. Were they sold as Capart?

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. in Sunbury, Pa.




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From: pullmanboss <tgmadden@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Fri, November 20, 2009 12:04:58 PM
Subject: Heap Shields was Re: [STMFC] Re: Accurail Offset Twin


Al Kresse:

Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of
soft tooling made off these brass model ends?
If CJR wants to make the brass ends available for that, yes.

Tom Madden


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Francis A. Pehowic, Jr. wrote:
I remember these parts. I know that someone knows the source of these but my curiosity has the best of me. Were they sold as Capart?
That may be right. They also made square hatches for covered hoppers, back when you had to backdate MDC covered hoppers. I have a set of the hatches, really very nice brass parts, likely lost wax.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


cj riley <cjriley42@...>
 

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Can a limited run set of resin-cast parts be easily made off of
soft tooling made off these brass model ends?


If CJR wants to make the brass ends available for that, yes.>

Despite having once been in the resin casting business, I'm not inclined to do it, but I would be cooperative if someone else wanted to.
CJ Riley
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