Thanks, Jerry, sorry for a delayed reply; I was away.

SGL

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Typically the MP herald was toward the B end of the car, but as you can see
from the prototype photo, this wasn't always the case. I do not have a
photo of the other side of the prototype, but if the paint shop followed
directions, it should be reversed from this side.

Is the Rock Island boxcar an assembled model or a kit? It's not clear in
the write-up.

Assembled

Jerry Michels

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Therefore, this example shows that the MPHS/ARM model having the 1950s
scheme could also conceivably have its original 24000-24449 car number,
particularly cars repainted between 1951 and 1954.

Just to add some additional information, in Green's Refrigerator Car Color
Guide, page 15, there is a photo of ART 24582 in this scheme shown on the
PRR in 1954.

Jerry Michels

So just POSSIBLY it might be that the photo of ART 33320 was a
poor choice for prototype illustration? <g>

Yes, Tony, I guess so. I will try to get a corrected photo posted to the
website, or explain the difference.

Jerry Michels

I note that the reweigh date yr is 1955. Since I hate to model in the
future, when might this paint scheme have been implemented? IOW, could an
earlier reweigh date be correct for this paint scheme...like in the range
1951-54?

Mike,

Yes, very much so. The scheme came into existence around 1950.

Jerry Michels

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Typically the MP herald was toward the B end of the car, but as you can see
from the prototype photo, this wasn't always the case. I do not have a
photo of the other side of the prototype, but if the paint shop followed
directions, it should be reversed from this side.

Is the Rock Island boxcar an assembled model or a kit? It's not clear in
the write-up.

Assembled

Jerry Michels

On Nov 26, 2009, at 12:59 PM, Anthony Thompson wrote:

So just POSSIBLY it might be that the photo of ART 33320 was a
poor choice for prototype illustration? <g>

Tony,
You are correct. Unfortunately, photos of ART reefers aren't plentiful
and 33320 is the one and only photo of a 33000-series car that I've
ever found. I am most grateful to Col. McCoid!. I would appreciate
knowing if there are other photos from this series that anyone has.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

On Nov 26, 2009, at 11:32 AM, Mike Brock wrote:

I note that the reweigh date yr is 1955. Since I hate to model in the
future, when might this paint scheme have been implemented? IOW,
could an
earlier reweigh date be correct for this paint scheme...like in the
range
1951-54?

Mike,
The following ORER data is specified for the ART 33000 series:

3 cars 4/53
7 cars 1/54
54 cars 4/54
54 cars 1/55
114 cars 4/55

It should be noted that ORERs dated 10/51 through 1/53 all show 50 cars
assigned to the 33000 series. However, I don't trust this data as being
accurate since the numbers were much lower beginning in April 1953. The
32000-series cars came a little earlier with 84 cars listed in 10/52.

I offer the following information to help clarify differences in ART's
reefers that were all lumped together in the ORER reporting. Cars
having ends with square corners were originally numbered 24000-24449
(450 cars total built from 11-39 to 11-44). These are the cars
represented by the MPHS/ARM model. Similar cars having round-corner 4/4
Dreadnaught ends were 24450-24699, 35000-35049, and 36000-36024 (325
cars built in 1945-1946).

It's my understanding (but not verified by any ART company
documentation) that the first two digits of the 24000-series car
numbers were replaced with either "32" (Preco electric) or "33"
(Equipco) when the cars received air-circulating fans during the 1950s.
Therefore, the highest number of any car having ends with square
corners (as the model has) would be 32449 or 33449 depending on the
type of fan that 24449 received. Correspondingly, the original
24450-24699 cars having 4/4 Dreadnaught ends with round corners were
renumbered to 32450-32699 or 33450-33699. In the quarterly ORER
reporting, the maximum number of renumbered cars from original series
24000-24699 to the 32000 and 33000 series was 302 (in 1955) and 381 (in
1959), respectively.

Interestingly, a photo taken 4/3/54 of ART 24582 shown on page 15 of
Gene Green's Refrigerator Car Color Guide had been freshly repainted in
the 1950s scheme, but it apparently had not yet received fans so it
retained its original car number. It's certainly conceivable this could
have also happened to some of the cars having square corners.
Therefore, this example shows that the MPHS/ARM model having the 1950s
scheme could also conceivably have its original 24000-24449 car number,
particularly cars repainted between 1951 and 1954.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Ed Hawkins wrote:

According to the ART painting & lettering diagram for this scheme used during the 1950s, the MP emblem was located nearest the "B" end and the Wabash flag nearest the "A" end (see RP CYC Volume 2 pages 54-55). This means that the location of the emblems were reversed on opposite sides of the car.

In the photo of ART 33320, the right side of the car was stenciled incorrectly since the Wabash flag is closest to the "B" end. It is unknown how carefully ART followed their own lettering diagram. Most photos show the diagram was correctly followed, but 33320 was not. For the model, the diagram was followed.

So just POSSIBLY it might be that the photo of ART 33320 was a poor choice for prototype illustration? <g>

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On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I have two questions:

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Schuyler,
According to the ART painting & lettering diagram for this scheme used
during the 1950s, the MP emblem was located nearest the "B" end and the
Wabash flag nearest the "A" end (see RP CYC Volume 2 pages 54-55). This
means that the location of the emblems were reversed on opposite sides
of the car.

In the photo of ART 33320, the right side of the car was stenciled
incorrectly since the Wabash flag is closest to the "B" end. It is
unknown how carefully ART followed their own lettering diagram. Most
photos show the diagram was correctly followed, but 33320 was not. For
the model, the diagram was followed.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Thanks, Ed, I thought that MIGHT be the reason, but it's better to >know<.

SGL





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Ed Hawkins writes:

According to the ART painting & lettering diagram for this scheme used
during the 1950s, the MP emblem was located nearest the "B" end and the
Wabash flag nearest the "A" end (see RP CYC Volume 2 pages 54-55). This
means that the location of the emblems were reversed on opposite sides
of the car.

I note that the reweigh date yr is 1955. Since I hate to model in the future, when might this paint scheme have been implemented? IOW, could an earlier reweigh date be correct for this paint scheme...like in the range 1951-54?

Mike Brock

On Nov 26, 2009, at 9:47 AM, Schuyler Larrabee wrote:

I have two questions:

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the
prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Schuyler,
According to the ART painting & lettering diagram for this scheme used
during the 1950s, the MP emblem was located nearest the "B" end and the
Wabash flag nearest the "A" end (see RP CYC Volume 2 pages 54-55). This
means that the location of the emblems were reversed on opposite sides
of the car.

In the photo of ART 33320, the right side of the car was stenciled
incorrectly since the Wabash flag is closest to the "B" end. It is
unknown how carefully ART followed their own lettering diagram. Most
photos show the diagram was correctly followed, but 33320 was not. For
the model, the diagram was followed.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

I have two questions:

Why is the order of the two heralds reversed on the model from the prototype photo just above it?
Was the other side of the prototype similarly reversed?

Is the Rock Island boxcar an assembled model or a kit? It's not clear in the write-up.

SGL

I couldn't make out the reweigh date or the build date from the photos. Can someone offer up the

dates?

Pierre Oliver

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Hello everyone!

The Amarillo Railroad Museum and Missouri Pacific Historical Society are
pleased to announce that our newest run of ART steel ice reefers arrived
today. These are painted in the classic reefer yellow and boxcar red scheme
with Missouri Pacific and Wabash heralds and the ART shield. They are
numbered in the 33000 series which denotes 24000 series cars which had Equipco
mechanical fans added in the early 1950s. There are six numbers available,
all are RTR, no kits right now. Price is $32.95 each plus shipping. ARM and
MPHS members get a 10% discount. Texas residents must add 8.25% sales tax.

Order from our web site now: _www.amarillorailmusuem.com_
(http://www.amarillorailmusuem.com <http://www.amarillorailmusuem.com> ) .

Great Christmas gifts!
There are only 293 cars in this run.
They will soon be listed on e-Bay.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels

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I couldn't make out the reweigh date or the build date from the photos. Can someone offer up the dates?
Pierre Oliver

Ed,

Thank you for the information. I'm glad I bought two kits of the prior run of kits and have not yet assembled both of them.

Ken Montero

Regarding kits, yes in the near future. The old kits that came with the
32000 series cars are exactly the same. Just the number is different. On
the decal sheet that came with the kits there are a few 33000-series numbers.

Jerry

On Nov 25, 2009, at 11:26 PM, Tim O'Connor wrote:

Jerry is there any external difference for the Equipco fans?
The photo on your web site just shows a car that says "fans"
http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/
ART33320webmod.jpg

Do you ever expect a kit to be available? I don't care about the
price I just prefer to build my own...

Tim,
The ART 33000-series cars with Equipco air circulating fans had a
control device tucked up under the car and essentially out of view. The
previous 32000-series cars with Preco air circulating fans had a
control device that was visible on the left side of the car next to the
left bolster.

The newest run of ART cars are available only as assembled models. The
previous run of ART kits could be lettered for either 32000 or 33000
series cars since car numbers were left off and decals were provided.
However, these kits are sold out.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Jerry is there any external difference for the Equipco fans?
The photo on your web site just shows a car that says "fans"
http://www.amarillorailmuseum.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/ART33320webmod.jpg

Do you ever expect a kit to be available? I don't care about the
price I just prefer to build my own...

Tim O'Connor

Jerry,

Does the Museum or the Historical Society anticipate offering the car in a kit form (as done in the past), as opposed to "ready to run"?

Ken Montero

Hello everyone!

The Amarillo Railroad Museum and Missouri Pacific Historical Society are
pleased to announce that our newest run of ART steel ice reefers arrived
today. These are painted in the classic reefer yellow and boxcar red scheme
with Missouri Pacific and Wabash heralds and the ART shield. They are
numbered in the 33000 series which denotes 24000 series cars which had Equipco
mechanical fans added in the early 1950s. There are six numbers available,
all are RTR, no kits right now. Price is $32.95 each plus shipping. ARM and
MPHS members get a 10% discount. Texas residents must add 8.25% sales tax.

Order from our web site now: _www.amarillorailmusuem.com_
(http://www.amarillorailmusuem.com) .

Great Christmas gifts!
There are only 293 cars in this run.
They will soon be listed on e-Bay.

Thanks,

Jerry Michels