ATSF raised--roof BX-12


railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?

Thanks in advance,

Steve Lucas.


Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson


brianleppert@att.net
 

Or use the TMW-202 trucks and number the car as a Bx-11. There's only a slight difference in the ends and a couple correctable grab irons, and the trucks will be correct. That's what I'm going to do <g>.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson





asychis@...
 

Curious, I take it a lot of us have seen Andy Sperandeo's nice article in
the latest MR on building a resin kit, with the model being an AT&SF
BX11/BX12?

Jerry Michels


Raymond Young
 

Jerry,

Love that car!  See attached picture.

Virgil TE

--- On Mon, 1/4/10, asychis@... <asychis@...> wrote:

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Subject: [STMFC] Re: ATSF raised--roof BX-12
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Curious, I take it a lot of us have seen Andy Sperandeo's nice article in

the latest MR on building a resin kit, with the model being an AT&SF

BX11/BX12?



Jerry Michels



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railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

Richard--

Thanks! I'll get a pair of the TMW 202's for this car, and number/detail it as a Bx-11. I'll have to read the Westerfield instructions a bit more closely.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson





railwayman <stevelucas3@...>
 

Brian--

I'll get a pair of the #202 trucks and finish the car as a Bx-11. Good thing that you now have Canadian suppliers. I picked your trucks up at Terry Link's booth at a train show 100 miles west of Toronto yesterday.

Very nice work. I'd read much about them, but not seen any until yesterday. By the way, it's been pointed out to me that the #201 trucks are a good match for the trucks used on CN car orders from 1929 to at least the mid-1930's.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:



Or use the TMW-202 trucks and number the car as a Bx-11. There's only a slight difference in the ends and a couple correctable grab irons, and the trucks will be correct. That's what I'm going to do <g>.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@> wrote:

On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:

Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
going to get.

Richard Hendrickson





brianleppert@att.net
 

Steve,

I've attached my list of Dalman 2-level users.

As far as I've learned, CN's purchases of Dalman 2-level trucks seems to have been limited to cars built in 1929. After that, for a few years, CN was buying 1-level Dalmans and Symington increased spring capacity trucks. In all cases, these trucks had the Barber Lateral Motion devices.

Principle info I have for the above CN cars is Stafford Swain's box car article in June 1994 Railmodel Journal and his reefer article in June 2001 RMC.

Wish that there were enough people wanting a 1-level Dalman,

Brian
TMW

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Brian--

I'll get a pair of the #202 trucks and finish the car as a Bx-11. Good thing that you now have Canadian suppliers. I picked your trucks up at Terry Link's booth at a train show 100 miles west of Toronto yesterday.

Very nice work. I'd read much about them, but not seen any until yesterday. By the way, it's been pointed out to me that the #201 trucks are a good match for the trucks used on CN car orders from 1929 to at least the mid-1930's.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:
>
>
>
> Or use the TMW-202 trucks and number the car as a Bx-11. There's only a slight difference in the ends and a couple correctable grab irons, and the trucks will be correct. That's what I'm going to do <g>.
>
> Brian Leppert
> Tahoe Model Works
> Carson City, NV
>
> --- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@> wrote:
> >
> > On Jan 3, 2010, at 3:09 PM, railwayman wrote:
> >
> > > Are the TMW 201 "50 ton Dalman 2-level trucks" suitable for this
> > > car as modelled by the Westerfield kit?
> >
> > Steve, the Santa Fe Dalman trucks had Barber Lateral Motion devices,
> > so what you need are the TMW #202 trucks. Actually, the Bx-11s had
> > Dalman 2-level trucks, for which the TMW HO scale trucks are dead
> > on. The Bx-12s, built a year later, had Dalman 1-level trucks, which
> > were made only briefly ca. 1930-'32, and have never been modeled in
> > HO. However, the TMW #202s are quite close - as close as you're
> > going to get.
> >
> > Richard Hendrickson
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


Richard Hendrickson
 

On Jan 11, 2010, at 9:46 AM, Brian Leppert wrote:

Wish that there were enough people wanting a 1-level Dalman
For what it's worth (probably not much), I'd really like to have
Dalman 1-level trucks, as thousands of Santa Fe cars built ca. 1930
had them (and, of course, cars built around that period for many
other RRs as well.)

Richard Hendrickson


Brian Carlson
 

If I knew what I needed them for, I might want them. ATSF and CN are all I
know so far.



Brian J. Carlson, P.E.

Cheektowaga NY



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Steve,

I've attached my list of Dalman 2-level users.

As far as I've learned, CN's purchases of Dalman 2-level trucks seems to
have been limited to cars built in 1929. After that, for a few years, CN was
buying 1-level Dalmans and Symington increased spring capacity trucks. In
all cases, these trucks had the Barber Lateral Motion devices.

Principle info I have for the above CN cars is Stafford Swain's box car
article in June 1994 Railmodel Journal and his reefer article in June 2001
RMC.

Wish that there were enough people wanting a 1-level Dalman,

Brian
TMW