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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Ned
Carey
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 12:08 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Painting black - was Painting X-3 deck



Bruce Smith Wrote:

paint the whole car a lightened black (steam power black, cockpit

interior black, etc) and then to weather it with tarnished black.

Bruce and others,

Bruce turned me on to tarnished black years ago. But I am thinking it is just
a shade darker than I would like. Is there a pre-mixed "black" that is a
little lighter? I am open to any of the acrylics; Poly Scale, Testors Model
Master etc.

I am not familiar with cockpit interior black or Rubber which Greg Martin
uses. Are these darker or lighter than tarnished black (or grimy black which
is very close)?

Thank you,

Ned Carey

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-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bruce
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 7:41 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Painting black - was Painting X-3 deck

"Ned Carey" <nedspam@... <mailto:nedspam%40comcast.net> >
01/19/10 11:15 PM >>>

Bruce turned me on to tarnished black years ago. But I am thinking it is just
a shade darker than I would like. Is there a pre-mixed "black" that is a
little lighter? I am open to any of the acrylics; Poly Scale, Testors Model
Master etc.

I am not familiar with cockpit interior black or Rubber which Greg Martin
uses. Are these darker or lighter than tarnished black (or grimy black which
is very close)?

Ned,

Cockpit interior (model master) is very similar to steam loco black (poly
scale) in that both are good for "new" black paint but aren't absolutely
black, allowing details to be seen. I make my own match for rubber with a
50:50 mix of one of those with tarnished black, so no, I would see rubber as
darker than tarnished black.

Elden's comment about the greeninsh caste to some of these is interesting in
that I think that poly scale grimy black has lost this and is now almost
identical to tarnished black. I once had an "old timer" tell me that he
painted his PRR steamers "grimy black". "Why that WRONG", said I, the
know-it-all neophyte, "They must be DGLE".
Well, the old formula was perfect for weathered PRR steam, with just a hint
of green ;^) I like to exploit the obvious greenish tint of some of these for
the spills on the sides of cars, especially poly scale oily black. That caste
seems to catch the nuance of wet liquid reflecting surrounding colors,
including the sky.

As for your need for an even lighter black... time to start mixing paints
<G>!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

--- On Wed, 1/20/10, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:


From: Bruce Smith <smithbf@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Painting black - was Painting X-3 deck
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, January 20, 2010, 7:41 AM


 

"Ned Carey" <nedspam@comcast. net> 01/19/10 11:15 PM >>>

Bruce turned me on to tarnished black years ago. But I am thinking it is
just a shade darker than I would like. Is there a pre-mixed "black" that
is a little lighter? I am open to any of the acrylics; Poly Scale,
Testors Model Master etc.

I am not familiar with cockpit interior black or Rubber which Greg
Martin uses. Are these darker or lighter than tarnished black (or grimy
black which is very close)?

Ned,

Cockpit interior (model master) is very similar to steam loco black
(poly scale) in that both are good for "new" black paint but aren't
absolutely black, allowing details to be seen. I make my own match for
rubber with a 50:50 mix of one of those with tarnished black, so no, I
would see rubber as darker than tarnished black.

Elden's comment about the greeninsh caste to some of these is
interesting in that I think that poly scale grimy black has lost this
and is now almost identical to tarnished black. I once had an "old
timer" tell me that he painted his PRR steamers "grimy black". "Why
that WRONG", said I, the know-it-all neophyte, "They must be DGLE".
Well, the old formula was perfect for weathered PRR steam, with just a
hint of green ;^) I like to exploit the obvious greenish tint of some
of these for the spills on the sides of cars, especially poly scale oily
black. That caste seems to catch the nuance of wet liquid reflecting
surrounding colors, including the sky.

As for your need for an even lighter black... time to start mixing
paints <G>!

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ned Carey" <nedspam@...>
To: <STMFC@...>
Sent: Wednesday, January 20, 2010 3:16 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Painting black - was Painting X-3 deck

Thank you Elden, Bruce, Brian and Vince for your replies.

I will go looking for aircraft interior black, rubber, Gunze Sanyo flat tire black, and Nato Tri Color Black. Checking Testors site, Rubber, it is not available in acrylic only enamel - probably why I couldn't find it.

I also agree that Oily Black does really well for oil spills, but you guys

need to tell me why; is it bluish?

I really like oily black. It is great for truck journals. Here is a link to Ned's models in the photos section.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/STMFC/photos/album/20463649/pic/620723233/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc
I find many oils to have an irridescent look to them as they refect light. Perhaps they are trying to achive this when formulating the color.

Ned Carey







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