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(perishables) interchange
People have pointed out the the Pennsy was the least preferred forwarderThomas Baker <bakert@...> 04/04/10 10:27 AM >>> as far as PFE/SFRD were concerned with the NYC, and B&O not far from the bottom of the list. Does someone out there know who got most of the meat and perishablies--if there were any--from the CGW. The list mentions the ERIE as the road that reliably delivered. Tom, I'm not sure about the CGW specifically, but your email hints at a problem that occurs every time this discussion comes up. Do NOT mistake the comments about shipper preference and handling issues with perishables for data on the AMOUNT of perishables traffic. This couldn't be farther from the truth! Based on the 1950 ICC freight commodity reports on loads handled, the PRR was the #3 handler of perishables IN THE COUNTRY, behind SP and UP. The numbers go like this: UP 248072 loads SP 190755 PRR 145712 ATSF 107402 - I know that hurts Richard ;^) but I also know he takes pride that although ATSF only handled a little over 2/3 of the perishables that PRR did, they did it better <G> Next, in quick succession come IC, NYC and CB&Q (77340, 74240, 71759 respectively) In the next grouping are ACL, Seaboard, finally the vaunted Erie and NKP (50805, 48795, 45105, 43154 respectively) So, while the PFE and SFRD management and employees may well have preferred Erie to PRR and NYC, by far the biggest hauler of perishables was the PRR. Dems da facts... Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL
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al_brown03
Do the ICC reports (or any other data) split out perishables moving west-to-east from those moving south-to-north? For perishables off the SAL or ACL moving to the northeast, there weren't too many practical routings, the most direct of which were PRR and B&O. From the west, there were more alternatives.
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@..., "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:
People have pointed out the the Pennsy was the least preferred forwarderThomas Baker <bakert@...> 04/04/10 10:27 AM >>>
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Al,
No, just totals are shown. Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL Do the ICC reports (or any other data) split out perishables moving"al_brown03" <abrown@...> 04/04/10 3:35 PM >>> west-to-east from those moving south-to-north? For perishables off the SAL or ACL moving to the northeast, there weren't too many practical routings, the most direct of which were PRR and B&O. From the west, there were more alternatives. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote: forwarderPeople have pointed out the the Pennsy was the least preferredThomas Baker <bakert@...> 04/04/10 10:27 AM >>> as far as PFE/SFRD were concerned with the NYC, and B&O not far fromthe bottom of the list. Does someone out there know who got most of themistake the comments about shipper preference and handling issues withNKP (50805, 48795, 45105, 43154 respectively)perishables was the PRR. Dems da facts... ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bruce Smith wrote:
Well, PRR handled more of most everything . . . Bruce, do you know how the PRR percentage of total perishable loads would stack up in comparison to their percentage of other load types?Do NOT mistake the comments about shipper preference and handling issues with perishables for data on the AMOUNT of perishables traffic. This couldn't be farther from the truth! Based on the 1950 ICC freight commodity reports on loads handled, the PRR was the #3 handler of perishables IN THE COUNTRY, behind SP and UP. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Greg Martin
Tony,
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We did perhishabes fruits and vegetables, meat and livestock in TKM. I have yet to publish the lumber data, but I have those numbers as well. Greg Martin
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From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sun, Apr 4, 2010 3:30 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] (perishables) interchange Bruce Smith wrote: Well, PRR handled more of most everything . . . Bruce, do youDo NOT mistake the comments about shipper preference and handling know how the PRR percentage of total perishable loads would stack up in comparison to their percentage of other load types? Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Greg Martin wrote:
We did perhishabes fruits and vegetables, meat and livestock in TKM. I have yet to publish the lumber data, but I have those numbers as well.Which issue? I don't always read the entire issue, so may have missed it. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Aley, Jeff A
Al,
From what I recall, the ICC data shows data either by railroad (i.e. carloads originated by a particular road, or carloads terminated, or bridge carloads [I forget the correct term]. They also have state-to-state data (i.e. carloads originated by a particular state, etc.) As far as I know, there is no combined data that would show, for example, carloads originating in Georgia on the SAL. Stanford University has a very nice collection of the ICC Reports. I am under the impression that each state has a U.S. Govt depository library, and they may also have a collection of the reports. Regards, -Jeff From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of al_brown03 Sent: Sunday, April 04, 2010 1:33 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: (perishables) interchange Do the ICC reports (or any other data) split out perishables moving west-to-east from those moving south-to-north? For perishables off the SAL or ACL moving to the northeast, there weren't too many practical routings, the most direct of which were PRR and B&O. From the west, there were more alternatives. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com>, "Bruce Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote: People have pointed out the the Pennsy was the least preferred forwarderThomas Baker <bakert@...> 04/04/10 10:27 AM >>>
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Aley, Jeff A wrote:
From what I recall, the ICC data shows data either by railroad (i.e. carloads originated by a particular road, or carloads terminated, or bridge carloads [I forget the correct term]. They also have state-to-state data (i.e. carloads originated by a particular state, etc.)Jeff, do the data contain ton-miles by freight category? That would be interesting as a way of seeing long-distance vs. for example terminal handling only. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Aley, Jeff A
Tony,
I don't THINK ton-miles are included; tonnage and carloads are. You may try the following searches prior to your visit to Stanford's Green Library: AUTHOR: Interstate Commerce Commission TITLE: 1950 I think you might also search for AUTHOR: Interstate Commerce Commission TITLE: State to State distribution of carload And AUTHOR: Interstate Commerce Commission TITLE: Carload waybill statistics The online catalog is located at http://socrates.stanford.edu (use the "Combined Search"). Kudos to Dave Nelson for informing me of this excellent resource. Regards, -Jeff From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Tuesday, April 06, 2010 3:56 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: (perishables) interchange Aley, Jeff A wrote: From what I recall, the ICC data shows data either byJeff, do the data contain ton-miles by freight category? That would be interesting as a way of seeing long-distance vs. for example terminal handling only. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com> Publishers of books on railroad history
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