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Those pesky 40-foot FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefers
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WaltGCox@...
Great idea, I could use about 8 such bodies. Walt
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In a message dated 5/13/2010 10:15:25 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
midcentury@... writes: Bill mentions his dread concerning the ladder carving on the ends. Perhaps Dennis could do us STMFC'ers a favor, and hold off to last the cutting in the end ladders, and run some bodies with the "unfinished" ends, letting them be available to us who appreciate such generosity.
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Bill Welch
Not to pick too many nits, but technically speaking the hinged doors on reefers are "plug doors" are they not? I have come to prefer "sliding door" and "hinged door' in talking about reefer doors.
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From the way Dennis describes the hinged door car version Accurail is doing (diagonal panel roof, improved Dreadnaught ends), these are cars built for FGE (500), WFE (250), BRE (200), and MNX (100) in 1949. I am planning to post a table showing all of the 40-foot steel cars owned by the FGE/WFE/BRE consortium. I have just noticed I did not describe the ends in the table, so I need to fix that. Any of you that have my handout from Naperville or Cocoa Beach on the steel cars has this table. There were variations on the sill configurations, should be an easy fix. The BRE and MNX versions had door handles at a 45 degree angle (or 135 degrees) rather than the usual 90 degrees, another easy fix. What I am dreading is carving the ladders off of the ends. Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@..., "devansprr" <devans1@...> wrote:
Dennis,
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Andy Carlson
Bill mentions his dread concerning the ladder carving on the ends. Perhaps Dennis could do us STMFC'ers a favor, and hold off to last the cutting in the end ladders, and run some bodies with the "unfinished" ends, letting them be available to us who appreciate such generosity.
I remember years ago Terry Wegmann ran a few sets of his "Details West" R-40-23 dreadnaught end w/o ladder brackets. Boy, I wish I had grabbed a couple more of those... -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: lnbill <fgexbill@...> What I am dreading is carving the ladders off of the ends. Bill Welch -
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Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...>
I knew someone would be introducing a 40' plug door iced reefer soon, because I just finished a project to build 15 of them using the old Trains Miniature sides with I/M roofs and ends and an Accurail floor. For the FGEX-WFEX-BREX cars as well as the PFE R40-26 I used the I/M diagonal panel roof and improved dreadnought ends from the R40-25 they did some years ago for the Amarillo Museum. For the various models of SFRD cars I used the I/M SFRD ends and SFRD, rectangular or diagonal panel roofs and straight or fishbelly centersill Accurail floors depending on the SFRD model.
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Now to my point. The same technique might be tried to improve the forthcomming Accurail cars. Instead of carving ladders off the ends, you might replace the ends with I/M ends! regards, Andy Miller
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From: Andy Carlson To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those pesky 40-foot FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefers Bill mentions his dread concerning the ladder carving on the ends. Perhaps Dennis could do us STMFC'ers a favor, and hold off to last the cutting in the end ladders, and run some bodies with the "unfinished" ends, letting them be available to us who appreciate such generosity. I remember years ago Terry Wegmann ran a few sets of his "Details West" R-40-23 dreadnaught end w/o ladder brackets. Boy, I wish I had grabbed a couple more of those... -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: lnbill <fgexbill@...> What I am dreading is carving the ladders off of the ends. Bill Welch -
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What I am dreading is carving the ladders off of the ends. Bill, I think Stan R. may make correct resin ends for these cars. I'd just cut off the Accurail ends and replace them. I avoid carving at all costs :-) Tim O'Connor
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Walt Cox wrote (about avoiding carving ladders off the Accurail ends):
Great idea, I could use about 8 such bodies.Or maybe just provide plain ends as parts. That seems at least as practical as running shots with "unfinished" dies. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Tony,
If only we could convince the manufacturers to add those ends to the parts spru !! The worst they can do is sell 4 times the amount of kits, easily. Fred Freitas ________________________________ From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Fri, May 14, 2010 12:18:05 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those pesky 40-foot FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefers Walt Cox wrote (about avoiding carving ladders off the Accurail ends): Great idea, I could use about 8 such bodies.Or maybe just provide plain ends as parts. That seems at least as practical as running shots with "unfinished" dies. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history
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SUVCWORR@...
Or Accurail could introduce a "premium" line without the grabs, ladders etc molded on in limited quantities then re-cut the dies to add the modled on parts. Since most who want the cars without the details use wire for grabs and ladders, IMHO, it would not be necessary to include these parts.
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Rich Orr
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From: Andrew Miller <aslmmiller@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, May 13, 2010 11:18 pm Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those pesky 40-foot FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefers I knew someone would be introducing a 40' plug door iced reefer soon, because I ust finished a project to build 15 of them using the old Trains Miniature sides ith I/M roofs and ends and an Accurail floor. For the FGEX-WFEX-BREX cars as ell as the PFE R40-26 I used the I/M diagonal panel roof and improved readnought ends from the R40-25 they did some years ago for the Amarillo useum. For the various models of SFRD cars I used the I/M SFRD ends and SFRD, ectangular or diagonal panel roofs and straight or fishbelly centersill ccurail floors depending on the SFRD model. Now to my point. The same technique might be tried to improve the forthcomming ccurail cars. Instead of carving ladders off the ends, you might replace the nds with I/M ends! regards, Andy Miller ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Carlson To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, May 13, 2010 10:15 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Those pesky 40-foot FGE/WFE/BRE/NX steel reefers Bill mentions his dread concerning the ladder carving on the ends. Perhaps ennis could do us STMFC'ers a favor, and hold off to last the cutting in the nd ladders, and run some bodies with the "unfinished" ends, letting them be vailable to us who appreciate such generosity. I remember years ago Terry Wegmann ran a few sets of his "Details West" -40-23 dreadnaught end w/o ladder brackets. Boy, I wish I had grabbed a couple ore of those... -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: lnbill <fgexbill@...> What I am dreading is carving the ladders off of the ends. Bill Welch - ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links Individual Email | Traditional http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
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