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W&LE gon and great load
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
....from Bethlehem in 1918
http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675044664_manufacture-of-ordnance_Bethleh em-Steel-company-plant_freight-train_cannons So, what do you know about that great W&LE gon? How about that gun tube? Elden Gatwood |
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Eric Hansmann
Eldon,
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It looks like the gon has W&LE number 70570. These were built in March and April of 1916 by Standard Steel Car and Pressed Steel Car. This design seems to have been a major influence on the USRA mill gon design. W&LE series 70000-70599 was 597 cars of 46-foot length. 70-ton capacity, all-steel construction, 3-foot interior height, and 12 exterior posts. This car and more of the W&LE 1926 freight car fleet were just reviewed at my blog: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/ The page text for the Critical Past film clip notes these cars were an "extra long railroad car". As the film was shot in 1918, a 46-foot car would be longer than most gondolas of that time. I've got nothin' on that gun tube. Eric Eric Hansmann Chagrin Falls, Ohio --- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
Thanks, Eric! That is a very cool car. Did it have the rotating handbrake
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like the USRA car? You have your work cut out for you. Elden Gatwood -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Eric Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 7:23 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: W&LE gon and great load Eldon, It looks like the gon has W&LE number 70570. These were built in March and April of 1916 by Standard Steel Car and Pressed Steel Car. This design seems to have been a major influence on the USRA mill gon design. W&LE series 70000-70599 was 597 cars of 46-foot length. 70-ton capacity, all-steel construction, 3-foot interior height, and 12 exterior posts. This car and more of the W&LE 1926 freight car fleet were just reviewed at my blog: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/ The page text for the Critical Past film clip notes these cars were an "extra long railroad car". As the film was shot in 1918, a 46-foot car would be longer than most gondolas of that time. I've got nothin' on that gun tube. Eric Eric Hansmann Chagrin Falls, Ohio --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood, Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:
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Dean Payne
Walthers made a half-way decent RTR model of these, but it was lettered for the wrong series, (71000 instead of 70000), and had a wood floor instead of steel. The wire grabs had to be added, I didn't correct the road number or any other details.
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The car looks pretty beat up for only being 2 years old! It was a rough life, I'm sure... Dean Payne --- In STMFC@..., "Eric" <eric@...> wrote:
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
How long did these cars last, and were all repainted in NKP paint?
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Thanks, Elden Gatwood -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:06 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: W&LE gon and great load Walthers made a half-way decent RTR model of these, but it was lettered for the wrong series, (71000 instead of 70000), and had a wood floor instead of steel. The wire grabs had to be added, I didn't correct the road number or any other details. The car looks pretty beat up for only being 2 years old! It was a rough life, I'm sure... Dean Payne --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eric" <eric@...> wrote: April of 1916 by Standard Steel Car and Pressed Steel Car. This design seems to have been a major influence on the USRA mill gon design. W&LE series 70000-70599 was 597 cars of 46-foot length. 70-ton capacity, all-steel construction, 3-foot interior height, and 12 exterior posts. This car and more of the W&LE 1926 freight car fleet were just reviewed at my blog: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/"extra long railroad car". As the film was shot in 1918, a 46-foot car would be longer than most gondolas of that time. Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:
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Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Elden,
IIRC, they were, but after 1953 as well as renumbered to higher numbers. Also, changed to 70 ton cap. Maybe Dean can correct if I'm not on the money. Currenlt at VA and out of touch with my materials. Fred Freitas ________________________________ From: "Gatwood, Elden J SAD" <elden.j.gatwood@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 2:45:04 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Re: W&LE gon and great load How long did these cars last, and were all repainted in NKP paint? Thanks, Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Dean Sent: Friday, July 09, 2010 2:06 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: W&LE gon and great load Walthers made a half-way decent RTR model of these, but it was lettered for the wrong series, (71000 instead of 70000), and had a wood floor instead of steel. The wire grabs had to be added, I didn't correct the road number or any other details. The car looks pretty beat up for only being 2 years old! It was a rough life, I'm sure... Dean Payne --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eric" <eric@...> wrote: April of 1916 by Standard Steel Car and Pressed Steel Car. This design seems to have been a major influence on the USRA mill gon design. W&LE series 70000-70599 was 597 cars of 46-foot length. 70-ton capacity, all-steel construction, 3-foot interior height, and 12 exterior posts. This car and more of the W&LE 1926 freight car fleet were just reviewed at my blog: http://designbuildop.hansmanns.org/"extra long railroad car". As the film was shot in 1918, a 46-foot car would be longer than most gondolas of that time. Elden J SAD " <elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:
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Ray Breyer
How long did these cars last, and were all repainted IIRC, they were, but after 1953 as well as renumbered Hi guys, My records are showing that these cars did NOT ever make it into NKP paint. The 1/1950 ORER shows 362 cars in the 72000-72999 series, but the 1/1951 ORER only shows 150 cars. By 1955 the number series was assigned to two different (and larger) gon series, and there were no other gons with a 47'7" OL on the roster. The slightly longer 71000-series gons DID make it into NKP paint; I have a photo of 71830 being switched by NKP Hudson 173, some time around 1956/1957. Hope this helps! Ray Breyer Elgin, IL |
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Frederick Freitas <prrinvt@...>
Ray,
Nice work sir. I was suspicious of my memory at the facility where I am for a couple weeks. This VA must have old navy crew from Nam cooking down below; tastes wretched! Fred Freitas ________________________________ From: Ray Breyer <rtbsvrr69@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Fri, July 9, 2010 3:55:10 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: W&LE gon and great load How long did these cars last, and were all repainted IIRC, they were, but after 1953 as well as renumberedHi guys, My records are showing that these cars did NOT ever make it into NKP paint. The 1/1950 ORER shows 362 cars in the 72000-72999 series, but the 1/1951 ORER only shows 150 cars. By 1955 the number series was assigned to two different (and larger) gon series, and there were no other gons with a 47'7" OL on the roster. The slightly longer 71000-series gons DID make it into NKP paint; I have a photo of 71830 being switched by NKP Hudson 173, some time around 1956/1957. Hope this helps! Ray Breyer Elgin, IL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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