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rock island wreck photo
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Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank).
http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a Its auction number 280569580698. Not my auction - just interested. Rob Kirkham |
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Mike Fortney
Ugh. That stirrup step is definitely gonna need replacement. ;)
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Mike Fortney --- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
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The boxcar is from RI series 25000 - 25499 built by Pullman Standard in
1946. The BLT date and twelve panel riveted sides are the clues. The ends were IDE. The Youngstown door places it in the latter half of the series. I can't read the repainting date, upper RH corner near the roof, but it may be 7-54, but the original car had a black background on the herald and Route of the Rockets to the left of the door (hidden, but likely not there if repainted.) Much as I can tell. Steve Hile _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Rob Kirkham Sent: Wednesday, October 06, 2010 10:32 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] rock island wreck photo Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank). http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569 580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0 <http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/28056 9580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a> &hash=item4153400c9a Its auction number 280569580698. Not my auction - just interested. Rob Kirkham |
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Andy Carlson
The door is a 5/6/5 Interim improved Youngstown door, much like the Santa Fe
door made by Dan Hall of SouthWest models. This door alone dates the construction to 1946.... -Andy Carlson Ojai CA The boxcar is from RI series 25000 - 25499 built by Pullman Standard in 1946. The BLT date and twelve panel riveted sides are the clues. The ends were IDE. The Youngstown door places it in the latter half of the series. I can't read the repainting date, upper RH corner near the roof, but it may be 7-54, but the original car had a black background on the herald and Route of the Rockets to the left of the door (hidden, but likely not there if repainted.) Much as I can tell. Steve Hile |
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rwitt_2000
Steve Hile wrote:
in 1946. The BLT date and twelve panel riveted sides are the clues. Theends were IDE. The Youngstown door places it in the latter half of theseries. I can't read the repainting date, upper RH corner near the roof, butit may be 7-54, but the original car had a black background on the herald andRoute of the Rockets to the left of the door (hidden, but likely not thereif repainted.)Obviously the other boxcar is a PS-1 of unknown vintage. I can't determine if the roof panel under the lateral running board has a pressed panel. Although the end panels appear to be riveted together. Bob Witt |
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Thanks Andy, that's exactly the thought that came to mind when
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I saw that door! In Hawkins-ese, this is a YSD-3 door. :-) Tim O'Connor The door is a 5/6/5 Interim improved Youngstown door, much like the Santa Fe |
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Bill Vaughn
No just some heat and a sledge hammer.
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Bill Vaughn --- On Wed, 10/6/10, itc_725 <emfour@...> wrote:
From: itc_725 <emfour@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: rock island wreck photo To: STMFC@... Date: Wednesday, October 6, 2010, 8:50 PM Ugh. That stirrup step is definitely gonna need replacement. ;) Mike Fortney --- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote: Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank). http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a Its auction number 280569580698. Not my auction - just interested. Rob Kirkham [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Interesting comments about the boxcars and the door on the near car. I take it Andy that when you say that the door dates the construction to 1946, that means 1946 or later? Or were those doors in production so briefly that they were only used on cars delivered in 1946?
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Meanwhile, too bad the tank car isn't more identifiable? Rob Kirkham Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a train wreck with a Rock Island boxcar and an insulated tank car - in colour. Curios to know if these cars can be identified more specifically (car numbers aren't visible on the boxcar; sort of visible on the tank).http://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a Its auction number 280569580698. |
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Andy Carlson
These are only from my observations, and I can be accused of making blanket
statements from time-to-time.......... The interim improved Youngstown doors were around a very short time. The most famous, the SP "Overnight" cars, and the Santa Fe cars were built very close together. When Youngstown brought out their "Improved Youngstown Steel Door", The first examples were of the 6/6/5 "Upside-down" count, a feature that also seemed to only last less than a year, though with quite a few users. I have seen no other examples of the 10-0 IH Interim IYD, only for SP. The 5/6/5 Interim IYD door was used by the Santa Fe (Bx-44), and now, I see, the Rock Island. All were pre-1947. Doors can be an important feature on identifying eras, look at the panel counts and spacing for the Superior doors, very year specific. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: Rob Kirkham <rdkirkham@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, October 7, 2010 7:53:03 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: rock island wreck photo Interesting comments about the boxcars and the door on the near car. I take it Andy that when you say that the door dates the construction to 1946, that means 1946 or later? Or were those doors in production so briefly that they were only used on cars delivered in 1946? Meanwhile, too bad the tank car isn't more identifiable? Rob Kirkham Just noticed an interesting photo on e-bay this evening - it shows a trainhttp://cgi.ebay.com/Original-Slides-Rock-Island-Wrecked-Box-Car-4-58-/280569580698?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4153400c9a [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Andy is right that all the SP cars with wide seams were built in
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1946. This included all of the B-50-24/BE-50-24 class (500 cars) and many cars of the B-50-25 class (1,100 cars which includes 350 cars for T&NO). The doors on the SP 10'0" cars have 5/5/5 patterns while the 5/6/5 pattern is found on 10'6" cars. Tim O'Connor At 10/7/2010 11:13 PM Thursday, you wrote:
These are only from my observations, and I can be accused of making blanket |
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