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Stock Cars Converted From Box Cars
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Jack Mullen
Victor Baird asked:
Rather late in the steam era, C&NW converted hundreds of its "USRA clone" SS boxcars in 1954-55. Reduced capital expenditure was probably important to the North Western, and several groups were sold and leased back as part of the conversion process. Presumably, even the lackluster C&NW management could read the writing on the wall well enough to know there wasn't a big future in livestock traffic. Santa Fe converted a lot of panel-side boxcars, post WW2 IIRC, and UP S-40-10s and -11s were conversions in the '30s and '40s. Jack |
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golden1014
SAL did it too--with B-class box cars.
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John Golden O'Fallon, IL --- In STMFC@..., "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:
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cef39us <cfrench@...>
The Wabash converted six hundred 40000 series single sheath
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auto cars, built by AC&F in 1925, into stock cars. Single deck cars, numbers 15000-15399, will converted in 1933-34. Double deck cars, 16400-16599, were converted in 1933. In 1963, (slightly past the time frame of this list), the Wabash converted 16 ex-PRR 50' auto cars, built in 1936-37, into double deck stock cars numbered 16600-16615. Chet French Dixon, IL --- In STMFC@..., "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:
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Interestingly, the RI had some stock cars built new to the same basic design
as their B2 boxcars and THEN rebuilt some of their boxcars into stock cars. I am hoping to discuss these in more detail in Cocoa Beach in January. Steve Hile _____ From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of potomacyard Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 4:35 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stock Cars Converted From Box Cars And the Rock Island from single-sheathed box cars. (And interestingly later converted [MKT] stock cars to box cars by lining with plywood, as did ATSF with some of its own stock cars, although both probably after the period covered by this list.) Dan Sweeney, Jr. Alexandria, VA --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote: Wabash convered single sheath wood cars. Perhaps the PRR and who else did this? I suppose unlike western railrods, eastern roads did not warrant capital expenditures on new cars for this dwindling traffic? Or, did some western roads convert cars too?
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Matt Herson
Add Northern Pacific to the list. The 40' Pig Palace cars 84000-84188 were
rebuilt c. 1958 from 8000-8199 single sheathed double door auto box cars. Matt Herson |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Oct 14, 2010, at 1:46 PM, wabash2813 wrote:
I know the B&O and the Wabash did it. The B&O covered M26 box carsTony Thompson has already responded re: the SP stock cars that were converted from box cars, as has Staffan Ehnbom re: the GN's rebuilt cars. In addition, the Santa Fe had several thousand stock cars in classes Sk-Z, Sk-2, Sk-3, Sk-4, and Sk-5 rebuilt from sectional- sheathed box and auto cars from the early 1940s to the early 1950s. And the Union Pacific's S-40-10 and S-40-11 classes were converted in the 1930s from B-50-11 class box cars and A-50-5 class auto cars; many of these were later upgraded with roller bearings and such to operate in the unit train "Daylight Livestock Express" service from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles. Finally, the Western Pacific rebuilt some single sheathed box cars into 40' stock cars. Richard Hendrickson |
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Gene <bierglaeser@...>
And the M&StL.
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tyesac@...
Or, did some western roads convert cars too?
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Santa Fe did big time: Convertible deck Sk Z & Sk 4's converted from panel sided "furniture cars" "Fe's" on the Santa Fe, also panel side Bx-3's & 6's were converted into Sk-2 - 3 & -5's All together, thousands of cars resulted in these rebuilds. Santa Fe didn't buy any new stock cars after the late 1920's, and eventually had the largest fleet of stock cars. So does that qualify? The Sk-Z & 4's are available from Sunshine, the Sk-2 & 3 from Westerfield. Tom Casey -----Original Message-----
From: wabash2813 <reporterllc@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, Oct 14, 2010 3:46 pm Subject: [STMFC] Stock Cars Converted From Box Cars I know the B&O and the Wabash did it. The B&O covered M26 box cars and the Wabash convered single sheath wood cars. Perhaps the PRR and who else did this? I suppose unlike western railrods, eastern roads did not warrant capital expenditures on new cars for this dwindling traffic? Or, did some western roads convert cars too? Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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S hed <shed999@...>
The Great Northern did convert 44' box and stock combination cars into regular stock cars. Normally cars in this size range was meant for transporting horses or other prized livestock on passenger trains since the common stock car length in the early 20th century was 36' long.
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There were 650 box and stock combination cars built in 1898 by Haskell and Barker for the Eastern Minnesota Ry (GN-owned) and in 1906 were rebuilt into regular stock cars. In 1919, the year that I model, there were 623 cars left and this was the biggest stock car series on the GN. Something like 33% of the GN stock car fleet were these 44' long stock cars. My 1926 ORER lists 164 cars and my 1930 ORER lists 0 cars. I know most of you on this email group list find these cars too early for your time period but these cars are pretty cool anyway. _ Steve Hedlund To: STMFC@... From: cepropst@q.com Date: Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:05:32 +0000 Subject: [STMFC] Re: Stock Cars Converted From Box Cars Add the CGW, RI and GN to your list. Clark Propst --- In STMFC@..., "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:
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Clark Propst
Add the CGW, RI and GN to your list.
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Clark Propst --- In STMFC@..., "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> wrote:
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al_brown03
Seaboard's S-1 and B-5 stock cars were converted from single-sheathed box cars.
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., "potomacyard" <dlsweeney@...> wrote:
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Dan Sweeney Jr
And the Rock Island from single-sheathed box cars. (And interestingly later converted [MKT] stock cars to box cars by lining with plywood, as did ATSF with some of its own stock cars, although both probably after the period covered by this list.)
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Dan Sweeney, Jr. Alexandria, VA --- In STMFC@..., "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> wrote:
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ben Hom wrote:
"Or, did some western roads convert cars too?"SP Pacific Lines did so in the 1930s, and T&NO did so right after WW II. Kits for the latter cars were offered by Sunshine. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
The Great Northern surely did.
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Staffan Ehnbom ----- Original Message -----
From: wabash2813 To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 10:46 PM Subject: [STMFC] Stock Cars Converted From Box Cars I know the B&O and the Wabash did it. The B&O covered M26 box cars and the Wabash convered single sheath wood cars. Perhaps the PRR and who else did this? I suppose unlike western railrods, eastern roads did not warrant capital expenditures on new cars for this dwindling traffic? Or, did some western roads convert cars too? Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana |
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Benjamin Hom
Victor Baird asked:
"I know the B&O and the Wabash did it. The B&O covered M26 box cars and the Wabash convered single sheath wood cars. Perhaps the PRR and who else did this?" PRR definitely did, all from automobile boxcars as they became obsolete: Class X24 to Class K7A (HO - BLI) Class X32 and subclasses to Class K9 (HO - Bowser) Class X31 and subclasses to Class K11 (HO - Bowser) In addition, Wabash did similiar conversions from secondhand PRR 50 ft automobile boxcars. Other roads in the eastern US converting boxcars into stock cars include B&M (from XM-1 SS boxcars), N&W, and Erie. "I suppose unlike western railroads, eastern roads did not warrant capital expenditures on new cars for this dwindling traffic?" The reason why the Pennsy converted the Class K9 and K11 was that the railroad significantly GAINED stock traffic. Early Truc-Train service from Chicago tended to be light on tonnage, so cuts of stock cars were added to the trains. Once the word got out that the railroad could knock enough time off the schedule to eliminate the requirement for a feed and water stop in Pittsburgh, the shippers jumped on this service. The Pennsy soon added "NF" symbol stock trains to the schedule, but lacked the equipment to cover the new traffic. The railroad actrually wanted to purchase new stock cars (Class K10) but chose instead to convert the automobile boxcars instead. See Richard Burg's "The Last Stand of Stock Cars in the East" in the January 1993 issue of RMC for more information. "Or, did some western roads convert cars too?" At least one - GN converted DS boxcars into stock cars as modeled by the Accurail 4700 series kits. Ben Hom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
N&W's Class SK stock cars were converted from Class BLa boxcars; these boxcars began life as Class BL, basically a door and a-half clone of the USRA single sheathed boxcars. Most, if not all, were made single door and reclassed as BLa. The N&W cars had the Chicago Climax Radial Roof.
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I have been trying to get a model of these done in HO for years. I provided extensive drawings and info to Funaro in 2001 but he never finished the project. I keep hoping someone out there will come through! Jim Brewer Glenwood MD ----- Original Message -----
From: "wabash2813" <reporterllc@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, October 14, 2010 4:46:04 PM Subject: [STMFC] Stock Cars Converted From Box Cars I know the B&O and the Wabash did it. The B&O covered M26 box cars and the Wabash convered single sheath wood cars. Perhaps the PRR and who else did this? I suppose unlike western railrods, eastern roads did not warrant capital expenditures on new cars for this dwindling traffic? Or, did some western roads convert cars too? Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana |
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I know the B&O and the Wabash did it. The B&O covered M26 box cars and the Wabash convered single sheath wood cars. Perhaps the PRR and who else did this? I suppose unlike western railrods, eastern roads did not warrant capital expenditures on new cars for this dwindling traffic? Or, did some western roads convert cars too?
Victor Baird Fort Wayne, Indiana |
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