early 20th Cen B&O box cars


S hed <shed999@...>
 

Hi Everyone,

I am HO-scale modeler that is focusing on 1919 and I need help identifying some B&O box cars from that year.

I've noticed from my 1919 ORER that the B&O had several identical series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm not sure if they are the same class of car or not.

IL -> 36' 0"; IH -> 7' 7¼"; OL -> 36' 11¾"; OH -> 14' 0¾"; DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB

In 1919 the B&O and its subsidiaries owned 27,517 box cars and these series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series of cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars):
65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)
75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The subsidiaries that I am including with this list is the B&OCT, Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads.

Thanks. Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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rwitt_2000
 

Steve from the 1920 B&O Rolling Stock Roster:

Class M-8 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box carfleet)
Class M-8 75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
Class M-8 77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
Class M-8a 81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
Class M-8 81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
Class M-8a 86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
Class M-11 90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
Class M-8a 93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
Class M-19 185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The B&O class M-8 boxcars were ubiquitous from when they were first
introduced in ~1896 until they were removed from revenue service and
placed in non-revenue service in the 1920's. The cars originally had
truss-rod underframes, but these were replaced with steel center sills
in the early teens to extend their lives. The M-11 and M-19 also had
steel center sills.

I found a M-8 in Springfield, Illinois in the early 1960s, took a photo,
but did not know to look for the steel center sill.


I assume you have information on the more modern box cars with steel
underframes, the class M-13 and class M-15.

I hope this information helps fill out your roster. If you are modeling
the B&O in 1919 you should purchase the Summary of Equipment for 1920
(the 1919 one is not available) from the B&ORR Historical Society item
#74020. http://www.borhs.org/Shopping/index.html

It would be a worth while investment in your modeling "tools".


Regards,

Bob Witt



--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I am HO-scale modeler that is focusing on 1919 and I need help
identifying some B&O box cars from that year.

I've noticed from my 1919 ORER that the B&O had several identical
series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since
there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to
reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm
not sure if they are the same class of car or not.

IL -> 36' 0"; IH -> 7' 7¼"; OL -> 36' 11¾"; OH -> 14' 0¾";
DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB

In 1919 the B&O and its subsidiaries owned 27,517 box cars and these
series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series of
cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars):
65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)
75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The subsidiaries that I am including with this list is the B&OCT,
Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads.

Thanks. Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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S hed <shed999@...>
 

Thanks Bob,

That's exactly what I was looking for. And I'm surprised that no one (to my knowledge) has ever offered a kit for the M-8 and M-8a considering that there were a lot of these cars built since they roughly made up half of the B&O box car roster during their hey day. And you could say a lot longer since you said that you discovered a M-8 in the 60s.

- Steve


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From: rwitt_2000@...
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:24:12 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: early 20th Cen B&O box cars






Steve from the 1920 B&O Rolling Stock Roster:

Class M-8 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box carfleet)
Class M-8 75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
Class M-8 77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
Class M-8a 81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
Class M-8 81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
Class M-8a 86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
Class M-11 90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
Class M-8a 93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
Class M-19 185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The B&O class M-8 boxcars were ubiquitous from when they were first
introduced in ~1896 until they were removed from revenue service and
placed in non-revenue service in the 1920's. The cars originally had
truss-rod underframes, but these were replaced with steel center sills
in the early teens to extend their lives. The M-11 and M-19 also had
steel center sills.

I found a M-8 in Springfield, Illinois in the early 1960s, took a photo,
but did not know to look for the steel center sill.

I assume you have information on the more modern box cars with steel
underframes, the class M-13 and class M-15.

I hope this information helps fill out your roster. If you are modeling
the B&O in 1919 you should purchase the Summary of Equipment for 1920
(the 1919 one is not available) from the B&ORR Historical Society item
#74020. http://www.borhs.org/Shopping/index.html

It would be a worth while investment in your modeling "tools".

Regards,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I am HO-scale modeler that is focusing on 1919 and I need help
identifying some B&O box cars from that year.

I've noticed from my 1919 ORER that the B&O had several identical
series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since
there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to
reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm
not sure if they are the same class of car or not.

IL -> 36' 0"; IH -> 7' 7"; OL -> 36' 11"; OH -> 14' 0";
DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB

In 1919 the B&O and its subsidiaries owned 27,517 box cars and these
series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series of
cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars):
65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)
75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The subsidiaries that I am including with this list is the B&OCT,
Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads.

Thanks. Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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rwitt_2000
 

Steve,

Chris Barken, a noted freight car historian, at one of the Naperville
meetings introduced a metric he termed "car-years", which is summing the
numbers of cars in the fleet each year over the number of years they
were on the roster. Your observation is essentially correct as he found
that the class M-8 had the highest "car-year" value of any other box car
in the B&O fleet.

One of the reasons there are no kits is that these cars were scrapped or
assigned to non-revenue service beginning in the 1920s. Note also the
capacity M-8 were rated at 30 tons. The B&O had many steel underframe
box cars in the class M-13 and M-15, which were well built, rated at 40
tons, and prove to have more potential lifetime. There are many, many
examples of M-15 in non-revenue service. Recall later the B&O re-used
the M-15 underframes and placed wagon-top car bodies on them. These
rebuilt cars lasted to 1955 when the B&O put new underframes under the
wagon-top bodies. Some of these final rebuilt cars ran until the 1970s.

Also in the 1920s, the B&O adopted the 1923 ARA proposed, but not
approved box car design that became the new core of their box car fleet;
the class M-26. These all-steel cars also proved to be very durable and
lasted into the mid-1960s with some being rebuilt into 50-ft single deck
and double deck stock cars; the class S-1 and S-2.

These three classes have been produced as models; the class M-13 and
M-15 from Westerfield and the M-26 from Red Caboose and in resin from
Sunshine.

You can scratch build a M-8 from drawings published in the railroad
trade press. MR also published drawings in the 1950s, but the original
lettering did not include the class designation. Contact me off list and
I will send you the references.

Regards,

Bob Witt



--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:



Thanks Bob,

That's exactly what I was looking for. And I'm surprised that no one
(to my knowledge) has ever offered a kit for the M-8 and M-8a
considering that there were a lot of these cars built since they roughly
made up half of the B&O box car roster during their hey day. And you
could say a lot longer since you said that you discovered a M-8 in the
60s.

- Steve


To: STMFC@...
From: rwitt_2000@...
Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:24:12 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: early 20th Cen B&O box cars






Steve from the 1920 B&O Rolling Stock Roster:

Class M-8 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box carfleet)
Class M-8 75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
Class M-8 77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
Class M-8a 81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
Class M-8 81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
Class M-8a 86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
Class M-11 90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
Class M-8a 93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
Class M-19 185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The B&O class M-8 boxcars were ubiquitous from when they were first
introduced in ~1896 until they were removed from revenue service and
placed in non-revenue service in the 1920's. The cars originally had
truss-rod underframes, but these were replaced with steel center sills
in the early teens to extend their lives. The M-11 and M-19 also had
steel center sills.

I found a M-8 in Springfield, Illinois in the early 1960s, took a
photo,
but did not know to look for the steel center sill.

I assume you have information on the more modern box cars with steel
underframes, the class M-13 and class M-15.

I hope this information helps fill out your roster. If you are
modeling
the B&O in 1919 you should purchase the Summary of Equipment for 1920
(the 1919 one is not available) from the B&ORR Historical Society item
#74020. http://www.borhs.org/Shopping/index.html

It would be a worth while investment in your modeling "tools".

Regards,

Bob Witt

--- In STMFC@..., S hed shed999@ wrote:


Hi Everyone,

I am HO-scale modeler that is focusing on 1919 and I need help
identifying some B&O box cars from that year.

I've noticed from my 1919 ORER that the B&O had several identical
series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since
there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to
reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm
not sure if they are the same class of car or not.

IL -> 36' 0"; IH -> 7' 7¼"; OL -> 36' 11¾"; OH -> 14' 0¾";
DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB

In 1919 the B&O and its subsidiaries owned 27,517 box cars and these
series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series
of
cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars):
65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)
75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%)
77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%)
81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%)
81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%)
86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%)
90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%)
93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%)
185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY)

The subsidiaries that I am including with this list is the B&OCT,
Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads.

Thanks. Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA

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