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early 20th Cen B&O box cars
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S hed <shed999@...>
Hi Everyone,
I am HO-scale modeler that is focusing on 1919 and I need help identifying some B&O box cars from that year. I've noticed from my 1919 ORER that the B&O had several identical series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm not sure if they are the same class of car or not. IL -> 36' 0"; IH -> 7' 7¼"; OL -> 36' 11¾"; OH -> 14' 0¾"; DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB In 1919 the B&O and its subsidiaries owned 27,517 box cars and these series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series of cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars): 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet) 75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%) 77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%) 81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%) 81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%) 86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%) 90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%) 93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%) 185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY) The subsidiaries that I am including with this list is the B&OCT, Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads. Thanks. Steve Hedlund, Everett, WA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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rwitt_2000
Steve from the 1920 B&O Rolling Stock Roster:
Class M-8 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box carfleet) Class M-8 75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%) Class M-8 77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%) Class M-8a 81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%) Class M-8 81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%) Class M-8a 86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%) Class M-11 90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%) Class M-8a 93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%) Class M-19 185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY) The B&O class M-8 boxcars were ubiquitous from when they were first introduced in ~1896 until they were removed from revenue service and placed in non-revenue service in the 1920's. The cars originally had truss-rod underframes, but these were replaced with steel center sills in the early teens to extend their lives. The M-11 and M-19 also had steel center sills. I found a M-8 in Springfield, Illinois in the early 1960s, took a photo, but did not know to look for the steel center sill. I assume you have information on the more modern box cars with steel underframes, the class M-13 and class M-15. I hope this information helps fill out your roster. If you are modeling the B&O in 1919 you should purchase the Summary of Equipment for 1920 (the 1919 one is not available) from the B&ORR Historical Society item #74020. http://www.borhs.org/Shopping/index.html It would be a worth while investment in your modeling "tools". Regards, Bob Witt --- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote: identifying some B&O box cars from that year. series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm not sure if they are the same class of car or not. DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series of cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars): 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads.
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S hed <shed999@...>
Thanks Bob,
That's exactly what I was looking for. And I'm surprised that no one (to my knowledge) has ever offered a kit for the M-8 and M-8a considering that there were a lot of these cars built since they roughly made up half of the B&O box car roster during their hey day. And you could say a lot longer since you said that you discovered a M-8 in the 60s. - Steve To: STMFC@... From: rwitt_2000@... Date: Tue, 19 Oct 2010 02:24:12 +0000 Subject: [STMFC] Re: early 20th Cen B&O box cars Steve from the 1920 B&O Rolling Stock Roster: Class M-8 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box carfleet) Class M-8 75003 to 75998; 195 cars (1%) Class M-8 77000 to 80385; 443 cars (2%) Class M-8a 81000 to 81009; 10 cars (0%) Class M-8 81033 to 85997; 1,034 cars (4%) Class M-8a 86000 to 90499; 3,576 cars (13%) Class M-11 90500 to 92699; 1,370 cars (5%) Class M-8a 93057 to 99999; 6,745 cars (25%) Class M-19 185650 to 185999; 346 cars (1%; 80,000 LB CAPY) The B&O class M-8 boxcars were ubiquitous from when they were first introduced in ~1896 until they were removed from revenue service and placed in non-revenue service in the 1920's. The cars originally had truss-rod underframes, but these were replaced with steel center sills in the early teens to extend their lives. The M-11 and M-19 also had steel center sills. I found a M-8 in Springfield, Illinois in the early 1960s, took a photo, but did not know to look for the steel center sill. I assume you have information on the more modern box cars with steel underframes, the class M-13 and class M-15. I hope this information helps fill out your roster. If you are modeling the B&O in 1919 you should purchase the Summary of Equipment for 1920 (the 1919 one is not available) from the B&ORR Historical Society item #74020. http://www.borhs.org/Shopping/index.html It would be a worth while investment in your modeling "tools". Regards, Bob Witt --- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote: identifying some B&O box cars from that year. series of box cars but I have no clue what class cars they are since there doesn't seem to be a handy (and free) resource for me to reference. These series of box cars share the same dimensions and I'm not sure if they are the same class of car or not. DOOR -> 5' 6"; CAPY -> 60,000 LB series of cars made up 55% of the box car fleet. Here are the series of cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars): 65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads.
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rwitt_2000
Steve,
Chris Barken, a noted freight car historian, at one of the Naperville meetings introduced a metric he termed "car-years", which is summing the numbers of cars in the fleet each year over the number of years they were on the roster. Your observation is essentially correct as he found that the class M-8 had the highest "car-year" value of any other box car in the B&O fleet. One of the reasons there are no kits is that these cars were scrapped or assigned to non-revenue service beginning in the 1920s. Note also the capacity M-8 were rated at 30 tons. The B&O had many steel underframe box cars in the class M-13 and M-15, which were well built, rated at 40 tons, and prove to have more potential lifetime. There are many, many examples of M-15 in non-revenue service. Recall later the B&O re-used the M-15 underframes and placed wagon-top car bodies on them. These rebuilt cars lasted to 1955 when the B&O put new underframes under the wagon-top bodies. Some of these final rebuilt cars ran until the 1970s. Also in the 1920s, the B&O adopted the 1923 ARA proposed, but not approved box car design that became the new core of their box car fleet; the class M-26. These all-steel cars also proved to be very durable and lasted into the mid-1960s with some being rebuilt into 50-ft single deck and double deck stock cars; the class S-1 and S-2. These three classes have been produced as models; the class M-13 and M-15 from Westerfield and the M-26 from Red Caboose and in resin from Sunshine. You can scratch build a M-8 from drawings published in the railroad trade press. MR also published drawings in the 1950s, but the original lettering did not include the class designation. Contact me off list and I will send you the references. Regards, Bob Witt --- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote: (to my knowledge) has ever offered a kit for the M-8 and M-8a considering that there were a lot of these cars built since they roughly made up half of the B&O box car roster during their hey day. And you could say a lot longer since you said that you discovered a M-8 in the 60s. photo, but did not know to look for the steel center sill.modeling the B&O in 1919 you should purchase the Summary of Equipment for 1920of cars (all of them are B&O lettered cars):65000 to 72699: 1,333 cars (5% of the box car fleet)Cincy Hamilton & Dayton and the Coal & Coke railroads. |
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