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New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available
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asychis@...
To be quick,
The Amarillo Railroad Museum and Missouri Pacific Historical Society have just received five runs of our ART steel ice reefers: 1943 paint scheme - kits only 1960 paint scheme - assembled and kits 1964 paint scheme - assembled and kits Check out e-Bay right now, our website probably by noon tomorrow, or e-mail me off list for more details. Thanks, Jerry Michels Amarillo Railroad Museum |
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bpe <behni@...>
That '64 scheme sure looks vivid compared to the prototype photo. One almost could say "pinkish". Is it really that vivid on the model?
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Brian Ehni --- In STMFC@..., asychis@... wrote:
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Scott Pitzer
The wood on the track base looks like a normal color....
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please tell me this car was a special for a "Think Pink" campaign... Scott Pitzer --- In STMFC@..., "bpe" <behni@...> wrote:
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Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...>
And looking at the '60 car, it's got yellow sides, and the photo shows
orange sides. -- Thanks! Brian Paul Ehni From: scottpitzer2002 <scottp459@...> Reply-To: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2010 02:23:00 -0000 To: STMFC List <STMFC@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available The wood on the track base looks like a normal color.... please tell me this car was a special for a "Think Pink" campaign... Scott Pitzer --- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "bpe" <behni@...> wrote: could say "pinkish". Is it really that vivid on the model? wrote:
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Scott Pitzer
--- In STMFC@..., Brian Paul Ehni <behni@...> wrote:
I think that's fine (if I follow what you're saying)-- 1960 they were still yellow; after N&W logo replaced Wabash in 1964, orange came in. Scott Pitzer ================================= The Amarillo Railroad Museum and Missouri Pacific Historical Society have |
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Scott
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But then, there's that famous color photo of hundreds of ART reefers in Grand Junction Colorado in the late 1950's and NOT ONE yellow ART reefer can be seen. Every one of the cars has a Wabash flag on it. However, I have seen other, later color photos of ART RBL's that do appear to be more on the yellow side -- and yet some photos do show a definite light orange color, and some even show DARK BLUE paint. Again, these are all Wabash era cars. Personally I'm convinced that ART was painting everything a light orange color in the 1950's, and some RBL's may have gotten a lighter color, almost yellow, later. I agree they went to a deeper orange color when N&W took over. Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book on ART! :-) Tim O'Connor And looking at the '60 car, it's got yellow sides, and the photo showsI think that's fine (if I follow what you're saying)-- 1960 they were still yellow; after N&W logo replaced Wabash in 1964, orange came in. |
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Gary Roe
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim
O'Connor Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book on ART! :-) Tim, It's not me; but someone is. gary roe quincy, illinois |
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bpe <behni@...>
What I'm talking about is this car: http://tinyurl.com/28qfell
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If you look at the two photos of models, they have obvious yellow side, yet the prototype photo is obviously orange sides. Seems to me he should have either put a photo of the yellow side car up, or had the cars painted orange. I'm a LOT less inclined to buy if it looks fishy, especially given Intermountain's well-known color issues. Brian Ehni --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote:
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mopac1 <mopac1@...>
Gentlemen,
Prior to the 1964 color change to orange with the N&W's acquisition the Wabash, virtually all A.R.T. reefers were painted with yellow sides. Some do appear to shift towards orange in color photos or as they age & weather. As Tim mentions, a small class of insulated boxcars assigned to the Wabash were painted a dark blue. This was short lived, just about a six month period. An A.R.T. book is in the works with Tony. Hopefully it will follow the MDT book. Gene Semon From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Tim O'Connor Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2010 11:51 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: New ART Steel Reefer Runs Now Available Scott But then, there's that famous color photo of hundreds of ART reefers in Grand Junction Colorado in the late 1950's and NOT ONE yellow ART reefer can be seen. Every one of the cars has a Wabash flag on it. However, I have seen other, later color photos of ART RBL's that do appear to be more on the yellow side -- and yet some photos do show a definite light orange color, and some even show DARK BLUE paint. Again, these are all Wabash era cars. Personally I'm convinced that ART was painting everything a light orange color in the 1950's, and some RBL's may have gotten a lighter color, almost yellow, later. I agree they went to a deeper orange color when N&W took over. Maybe after Roger Hinman finishes the MDT book and Bill Welch the FGE book, someone with the knowledge will write the definitive book on ART! :-) Tim O'Connor yellow; after N&W logo replaced Wabash in 1964, orange came in.And looking at the '60 car, it's got yellow sides, and the photo showsI think that's fine (if I follow what you're saying)-- 1960 they were still Scott Pitzer ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links _____ No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1170 / Virus Database: 426/3306 - Release Date: 12/09/10 |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Gene Semon wrote:
An A.R.T. book is in the works with Tony. Hopefully it will follow the MDT book.Yes, the manuscript and photos have been submitted to us. We like the book and do plan to push it forward, but it won't be directly following the MDT book, which is close to final. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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If you look at the collection of ART photos in the "Refrigerator Car
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Color Guide" every one of them appears to be pale orange or darker except for ONE -- but when I look at the sky in that photo (page 16) I realize the photo has shifted badly and was not color-corrected. A couple of photos of dark orange cars also appear to be color shifted (at least one looks like an Ektachrome) Tim O'Connor Prior to the 1964 color change to orange with the N&W's acquisition the |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Typically orange tends to fade toward yellow. If the cars were originally pale orange, with time I'd expect them to look more and more yellow. It's always good to know the NEW color of a car, but for most of us, MORE important to know how it looked after some time in service. Old (preserved) PFE cars, to use one example, often look yellowish if in original but aged paint.
The question of "trusting" commercial model colors is obviously complex. For many years, model mfgrs. liked to make the WP cars in the PFE fleet yellow, who knows why. Since those cars were changed to orange at the same time as the rest of the PFE car fleet (starting in 1929), this is entirely wrong for models representing later years. Gradually this had been corrected. The issue of whether NP and ART cars were yellow or not (vs. orange) in the 1950s has come up before and never entirely answered IIRC. As Tim O'C commented, yellow evidently looks different to different people. When the SP's Daylight-painted 4-8-4 engines were new, their nickname among employees was "yellow bellies," though the color was Daylight Orange. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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