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IMWX / DPH NKP Box Car - Viking Roof
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Andy Harman
Looking for an easy project that I can actually use, I dug out a kit I bought quite a few years ago from Des Plaines Hobbies..... the 1937 AAR box car with Viking roof. Of course the next thing I did was try and find a prototype photo. Not a lot out there. These cars apparently lasted into the 1970s and even though assigned N&W numbers, doesn't look like many ever got them.
In the Kincaid / Morning Sun book on page 64, there is a picture dated 1962 of a box car that is a dead match for my DPH kit, except... it doesn't appear to have a Viking roof. I looked up a few old STMFC discussions in my archives and found this: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html Which would indicate that the entire batch of NKP box cars 15000-15499 had Viking roofs. Other than the lettering - the car is a match for the photo except for the roof. Also I guess some "AAR 1937" box cars were build in 1936. Interesting. Anyway, odds are if I were to forward date the 1962 car to 1975, it would still be in the same paint but with more rust and grime, an ACI label, and a few other reporting mark changes. Can anyone confirm if all of the cars in this batch did indeed have Viking roofs? The model is #15366, the photo in the book is #15330. Also the car in the photo has a steel running board - which could have been replaced, and the doors look like the Youngstown 6' doors that come with the model, but have two larger ribs. I don't know the terminology... just testing my powers of observation. The basic car, ends, even the sill is a match. The model has polling pockets, the prototype does not. Of course it would be really nice to have a 1970s photo of one of these cars to go by. But TBQH, if I'm going to have to repaint the car anyway, I may as well just find an undec RC/IMWX kit and start from scratch. But I need to definitely confirm the roof, as well as figure out what type of doors I will need. I'm a 70s modeler but I need lots and lots of steam era box cars, in particular N&W, Wabash, and Nickel Plate cars. Hopefully someone has a copy of the Kincaid book and can take a look and check my vision. Freight cars often take just as much research as a diesel, and prototype photos are a lot harder to come by it seems. Any thoughts, comments, corrections, suggestions? Andy |
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Andy Harman wrote
I looked up a few old STMFC discussions in my archives and found this: http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/1937aarpdfmain.html Which would indicate that the entire batch of NKP box cars 15000-15499 had Viking roofs. -------------- Andy NKP 15000-15999 all received Viking roofs. They also had S-corner ends and 8-rung ladders (at least 15500-15999 had 8-rung ladders; not sure about 15000-15499). As for the disposition of the cars by the 1970's I do not know. Many of the 1941 built cars 16000-17399 went through a rehab program in 1963 and were renumbered 18000-18999. But those cars all had RP roofs and W-corner ends. NKP Historical Society Volume 25, Issue #1 covers the 1941 cars. I'll be surprised if there's never been an NKPHS article on the earlier cars. I have never seen a 1960's or later photo of any of the 15000-15999 cars. Tim O'Connor |
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Scott Pitzer
--- In STMFC@..., Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:
------------------------- In the Kincaid / Morning Sun book on page 64, there is a picture dated 1962------------------------------- Can anyone confirm if all of the cars in this batch did indeed have VikingAndy, Can you tell if the roof in the photo is a diagonal panel (vs. rectangular panel)? Roofs do get replaced... I modeled one of the slightly earlier, lower NKP cars (a long time ago) in a post-STMFC-era appearance and a prototype photo showed a diagonal-panel roof (something that wasn't developed for more than a decade after the car was built) as well as later-replacement "improved" doors like what you describe (with thicker "ribs" where the three panels are joined.) And one of the photo dealers offers NKP 18399, a spruced-up Steam Era car in a new number series from the mid-1960s, with a replacement diagonal panel roof. Also, AAR designs were based on proven designs deemed worthy of wider use-- so yes, there will certainly be cars with built dates earlier than the AAR date. Scott Pitzer |
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Andy Harman
At 07:21 AM 1/13/2011 +0000, you wrote:
Can you tell if the roof in the photo is a diagonal panel (vs. rectangular panel)? Roofs do get replaced...It does appear to be diagonal panel. And one of the photo dealers offers NKP 18399, a spruced-up Steam Era car in a new number series from the mid-1960s, with a replacement diagonal panel roof.As long as it's in revenue service into the mid 1970s, I can justify it. I rarely shot photos of freight cars on their own back then, but when they show up in my photos there are a tremendous number of steam era cars in 1950s or earlier schemes, still with full ladders and running boards and solid bearing trucks. Including a few surprises... IM did a P-S double door car with a 1959 build date, and I thought it was too early of a paint scheme, but I found one of my own photos that contained that exact car. So I can use it - as well as the nice Kadee car of the same prototype, although it's going to lose its "collector" appeal once I get done with the weathering :-) Andy |
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Ray Breyer
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The museum at North Judson, IN, has two of these cars preserved: NKP 15797, still in original NKP paint (including black ends, and an odd door lower sill reinforcement tab), and NKP 15979 in a faded N&W hamburger scheme (MOW) with the NKP lettering peeking through. I can't tell if the roofs are original or replacements though; that will require a trip to the museum in the spring! If you'd like 'em, I can pass along photos offlist. Ray Breyer Elgin, IL --- On Thu, 1/13/11, Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:
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Andy Harman
On Thu, 13 Jan 2011 06:03:47 -0800 (PST), Ray Breyer wrote
Sure, not likely I'm going to get there any time soon. Thanks. One other question... the DPH car in the "Nickel Plate Road" lettering, the R in Road is small and not stylized like it is in every photo I've seen. I assume this is correct for the as-built car, which also should have the large NYC & STL reporting marks? Andy |
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