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B&O Wagontop

Marty McGuirk
 

Apparently Matt at Fox Valley Models has announced a new B&O wagontop boxcar in N and HO scales.



It's not on the FVM web site as of this morning, but apparently details are included on the FVM Facebook page - which is something I can't access from work.



Thought someone on this list may want to check it out.



Marty McGuirk
Paul <kruegerp@...>
 

Here is a link to the announcement on their Facebook page: http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10150097638299797&set=a.215654069796.132307.92694309796&ref=nf

Text:
NEW TOOLING - HO and N scale B&O M-53 Wagontop boxcars. HO cars will have detailed underframes, metal grabs, metal wheels and Kadee couplers. N scale will have etched metal roofwalks, body mounted MT couplers and FVM metal wheels. 4 Schemes this round with delivery starting in June.

HO: $30.95
N: $19.95

Paul
Seattle, WA

--- In STMFC@..., Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:




Apparently Matt at Fox Valley Models has announced a new B&O wagontop boxcar in N and HO scales.



It's not on the FVM web site as of this morning, but apparently details are included on the FVM Facebook page - which is something I can't access from work.



Thought someone on this list may want to check it out.



Marty McGuirk





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Rick Schoch <tuggernaut@...>
 

'Tis on the FB page. HO & N.
Regards,
Rick S

Jan 28, 2011 11:53:41 AM, STMFC@... wrote:




Apparently Matt at Fox Valley Models has announced a new B&O wagontop boxcar in N and HO scales.



It's not on the FVM web site as of this morning, but apparently details are included on the FVM Facebook page - which is something I can't access from work.



Thought someone on this list may want to check it out.



Marty McGuirk









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mcindoefalls
 

Excellent! We've heard rumblings about an injection molded wagontop on this list for a while, now. Question: the announcement shows two of the earlier paint schemes with a brownish body color, and the later large "B&O" scheme looks more reddish, like oxide red. Did B&O change the body color at some point?

Walt Lankenau

--- In STMFC@..., Marty McGuirk <mjmcguirk@...> wrote:

Apparently Matt at Fox Valley Models has announced a new B&O wagontop boxcar in N and HO scales.
Benjamin Hom
 

Walt Lankenau asked:
"Question: the announcement shows two of the earlier paint schemes with a
brownish body color, and the later large "B&O" scheme looks more reddish, like
oxide red. Did B&O change the body color at some point?"

Yes, in the manner that you describe.


Ben Hom
Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Three of the B&O M53 box cars show up on the Landmesser hot box list so I "need" some. I immediately pulled out RP CYC #9 to compare FVM illustrations with the photos in the M53 article. It appears to me that the as-delivered scheme is missing a small round emblem to the left of the door. What am I missing?
Gene Green
Marty McGuirk
 

Gene,

If the lettering you're referring to is a small round "T" in a circle to the left of the number that indicates the car is suitable for B&O LCL "T"imesaver service.

So it wouldn't have been on every car.

Marty

--- In STMFC@..., "Gene" <bierglaeser@...> wrote:

Three of the B&O M53 box cars show up on the Landmesser hot box list so I "need" some. I immediately pulled out RP CYC #9 to compare FVM illustrations with the photos in the M53 article. It appears to me that the as-delivered scheme is missing a small round emblem to the left of the door. What am I missing?
Gene Green
Bruce Smith
 

Gene,

Are you referring to the plain B&O capital dome that is seen on the left
side of these cars? Yep, it is missing from the artwork! But hey,
that's what decals are for ;^) and at least this baby comes with the
correct flat panel door for those of us who want the original
configuration...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Gene" <bierglaeser@...> 01/28/11 3:14 PM >>>
Three of the B&O M53 box cars show up on the Landmesser hot box list so
I "need" some. I immediately pulled out RP CYC #9 to compare FVM
illustrations with the photos in the M53 article. It appears to me that
the as-delivered scheme is missing a small round emblem to the left of
the door. What am I missing?
Gene Green



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seaboard_1966
 

Let me remind folks that WrightTRAK has custom decals for these M53's that cover ALL the paintschemes as applied to these cars.


Denis Blake




2011 Central Ohio Prototype Modelers Meet, May 19-21

http://www.facebook.com/pages/manage/#!/pages/Central-Ohio-Prototype-Modelers-Meet/326645470797

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From: Bruce Smith
Sent: Friday, January 28, 2011 7:10 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: B&O Wagontop

Gene,

Are you referring to the plain B&O capital dome that is seen on the left
side of these cars? Yep, it is missing from the artwork! But hey,
that's what decals are for ;^) and at least this baby comes with the
correct flat panel door for those of us who want the original
configuration...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Gene" <bierglaeser@...> 01/28/11 3:14 PM >>>
Three of the B&O M53 box cars show up on the Landmesser hot box list so
I "need" some. I immediately pulled out RP CYC #9 to compare FVM
illustrations with the photos in the M53 article. It appears to me that
the as-delivered scheme is missing a small round emblem to the left of
the door. What am I missing?
Gene Green



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Gene <bierglaeser@...>
 

Marty, no I was asking about the plain B&O capital dome in a circle.

Bruce, thanks for confirming that the plain B&O capital dome should be on the cars in the as-delivered scheme.

And Denis, good to know a source of decals is available.

Finally, would the second Fox Valley paint scheme have been in use before 1950? If I understood a caption in RP Cyc 9 correctly, it would have.

Gene Green
Andy Harman
 

At 04:53 PM 1/28/2011 +0000, you wrote:

Apparently Matt at Fox Valley Models has announced a new B&O wagontop boxcar in N and HO scales.
How many M-53s have been done? Sunshine, F&C, who else? This is the first in styrene I think.

Andy
rwitt_2000
 

To the Group,

What Bruce stated is what I always believed to be the case until about 6
months ago I purchased an Al Armitage print of a as-built M-53 (#381303)
in service still lettered with "NEW-9-37" that does not have the Kuhler
emblem on the left side of the door. So now the early use and placement
of the Kuhler emblem on B&O boxcars is less clear. So based on this
single photo I will have to say the FVM lettering appears correct, but
for what batch of cars and how many remains unknown.

I believe the post-WWII "13 States" cars should be painted oxide red not
the earlier dark brown. Maybe Ed Hawkins can find the bill of materials
to verify the paint specifications for the 500 class M-58a built by AC&F
in 1947 for the B&O.

Regards,

Bob Witt

Bruce Smith replied:

Are you referring to the plain B&O capital dome that is seen on the
left
side of these cars? Yep, it is missing from the artwork! But hey,
that's what decals are for ;^) and at least this baby comes with the
correct flat panel door for those of us who want the original
configuration...

Gene Green wrote:
I immediately pulled out RP CYC #9 to compare FVM
illustrations with the photos in the M53 article. It appears to me
that
the as-delivered scheme is missing a small round emblem to the left of
the door. What am I missing?
Charles Hladik
 

Fenton,
Keep those grits handy. They make for nice peeling paint, even on
steam era freight cars.
While you're at it, run downtown to the caboose and get a paint sample
so that it can be matched to (?) and then everyone can get the right color.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 1/29/2011 10:50:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
srrfan1401@... writes:

Thanks, Bruce I'll move my grits and see what paint colors I have. I
still
have one more Sunshine wagontop and several ACL and C&WC cars to build and
being lazy was hoping there was something straight out of the bottle.
I'm fixin to go up to da workshop and git some modlein dun.
Regards,
Fenton

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:



O Fenton Wells asks, referring to prewar B&O colors:
Gentlemen, any idea of which model paints, if any out of the bottle
best
>match this " Alkali Resisting Brown" ?

Fenton, y'all (*using the more inclusive southernism, since there are
some ladies out there),

The suggestion was made that Roof Brown was an appropriate color for
this during the M26 project on Virtual Modelers. I used the Poly Scale
version and my reaction was "WOW is it BROWN!". When I do my next B&O
car, I will most likely cut the roof brown with some red, to taste.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




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al_brown03
 

Wright Trak make a really nice resin kit.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., Andy Harman <gsgondola@...> wrote:

At 04:53 PM 1/28/2011 +0000, you wrote:

Apparently Matt at Fox Valley Models has announced a new B&O wagontop
boxcar in N and HO scales.
How many M-53s have been done? Sunshine, F&C, who else? This is the first
in styrene I think.

Andy
Ed Hawkins
 

On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:07 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

I believe the post-WWII "13 States" cars should be painted oxide red
not
the earlier dark brown. Maybe Ed Hawkins can find the bill of
materials
to verify the paint specifications for the 500 class M-58a built by
AC&F
in 1947 for the B&O.
Bob,
You are correct. According to the paint sample for the M-58A 50' box
cars built by AC&F in 10-47, the cars received Pittsburgh Synthetic
paint (an oxide shade). So the switch from brown to oxide red
occurred sometime between 12-41, when the M-55A/B box cars that
received "Alkali Resisting Brown" were built, and 10-47. This oxide
shade was similar to that used by ACL, CNW, L&N, UP and others during
the postwar years.

A portion of the M-60 and M-61 50' box cars built in 1951 received an
even lighter-brighter shade of oxide red, much like the color Western
Maryland used during the 1950s, while the balance received the same
oxide shade as the M-58A cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins
O Fenton Wells
 

Gentlemen, any idea of which model paints, if any out of the bottle best
match this " Alkali Resisting Brown" ?

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:




On Jan 28, 2011, at 10:07 PM, rwitt_2000 wrote:

I believe the post-WWII "13 States" cars should be painted oxide red
not
the earlier dark brown. Maybe Ed Hawkins can find the bill of
materials
to verify the paint specifications for the 500 class M-58a built by
AC&F
in 1947 for the B&O.
Bob,
You are correct. According to the paint sample for the M-58A 50' box
cars built by AC&F in 10-47, the cars received Pittsburgh Synthetic
paint (an oxide shade). So the switch from brown to oxide red
occurred sometime between 12-41, when the M-55A/B box cars that
received "Alkali Resisting Brown" were built, and 10-47. This oxide
shade was similar to that used by ACL, CNW, L&N, UP and others during
the postwar years.

A portion of the M-60 and M-61 50' box cars built in 1951 received an
even lighter-brighter shade of oxide red, much like the color Western
Maryland used during the 1950s, while the balance received the same
oxide shade as the M-58A cars.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

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Bruce Smith
 

"al_brown03" <abrown@...> 01/29/11 7:38 AM >>>
Wright Trak make a really nice resin kit.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
Which can even be built with a functioning Duryea underframe! Alas, the
molded on ladder stiles and the lack of the original door have kept me
from buying this kit. Interestingly, the FVM RTR cars will be somewhere
around $20 less expensive than the resin kit...

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
Bruce Smith
 

O Fenton Wells asks, referring to prewar B&O colors:
Gentlemen, any idea of which model paints, if any out of the bottle
best
match this " Alkali Resisting Brown" ?
Fenton, y'all (*using the more inclusive southernism, since there are
some ladies out there),

The suggestion was made that Roof Brown was an appropriate color for
this during the M26 project on Virtual Modelers. I used the Poly Scale
version and my reaction was "WOW is it BROWN!". When I do my next B&O
car, I will most likely cut the roof brown with some red, to taste.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks, Bruce I'll move my grits and see what paint colors I have. I still
have one more Sunshine wagontop and several ACL and C&WC cars to build and
being lazy was hoping there was something straight out of the bottle.
I'm fixin to go up to da workshop and git some modlein dun.
Regards,
Fenton

On Sat, Jan 29, 2011 at 10:31 AM, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:



O Fenton Wells asks, referring to prewar B&O colors:
Gentlemen, any idea of which model paints, if any out of the bottle
best
match this " Alkali Resisting Brown" ?
Fenton, y'all (*using the more inclusive southernism, since there are
some ladies out there),

The suggestion was made that Roof Brown was an appropriate color for
this during the M26 project on Virtual Modelers. I used the Poly Scale
version and my reaction was "WOW is it BROWN!". When I do my next B&O
car, I will most likely cut the roof brown with some red, to taste.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL




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3047 Creek Run
Sanford NC 27332
919-499-5545
srrfan1401@...


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Andy Harman
 

At 09:23 AM 1/29/2011 -0600, you wrote:
Which can even be built with a functioning Duryea underframe! Alas, the
molded on ladder stiles and the lack of the original door have kept me
from buying this kit. Interestingly, the FVM RTR cars will be somewhere
around $20 less expensive than the resin kit...
I have a Sunshine M53 somewhere, but I don't even remember what kind of door and underframe, or if multiple variations were available. I think it was an impulse buy at Naperville one year, probably when first released. I don't have need for a fleet of them. I forgot about Wright Track. So three completely independent resin kits, plus now styrene. And how many different Milwaukee rib sides have been done now? Heck, at least two in styrene plus resin - 2 more? Who says ethnic cars don't sell.

Now about that N&W H-10.

Andy
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