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Having Problem Identifying MILW car
S hed <shed999@...>
I recently found the following for Bellingham WA
http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf
If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that car belongs to but with no luck.
Is there anyone here that can help out?
In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in operation.
BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to 690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50' automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA
http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf
If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that car belongs to but with no luck.
Is there anyone here that can help out?
In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in operation.
BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to 690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50' automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA
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--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:
car belongs to but with no luck.
Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not
sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in
operation.
690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50'
automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).
68001-68489 (odd numbers) with 220 cars in the November 1926 ORER. The latter
number is in series 68511-68619 (odd numbers) with 37 cars. The cars are 41'
outside length with steel underframes. There is no note concerning the
bulkheads; but I note on the photo that the only stakepockets seem to be the
ones that receive the apparently removably bulkheads, so it appears the car has
been at least slightly modified to accept the bulkheads (or the car was
originally built with just four stake pockets). At the ends. The four other
flats in the photo have log bunks, so I wouldn't be surprised if the car were
used for some variation of "pulpwood loading". Interesting that the horizontal
planking is not carried all the way across the car--apparently to allow the
brakeman to pass through and do his job should the car be running empty.
Also of interest (somewhat beyond freight cars, though) is the McKeen car.
Hubba hubba. Should Exactrail ever do one (or maybe Athearn), it'll be hard to
resist (yes, I know of the Kidder ones; but I recall them being much shorter).
I note that the first word on the side is definitely NOT BB&BC--I'm getting
something like "SULSHAM".
And the world's biggest Christmas tree--nice!
Ed
Edward Sutorik
looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that
I recently found the following for Bellingham WA
http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf
If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat
car belongs to but with no luck.
Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of
Is there anyone here that can help out?
In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to
Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not
sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in
operation.
Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to
BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a
690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50'
automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).
The car number appears to be either 68319 or 68519. The former is in series
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA
68001-68489 (odd numbers) with 220 cars in the November 1926 ORER. The latter
number is in series 68511-68619 (odd numbers) with 37 cars. The cars are 41'
outside length with steel underframes. There is no note concerning the
bulkheads; but I note on the photo that the only stakepockets seem to be the
ones that receive the apparently removably bulkheads, so it appears the car has
been at least slightly modified to accept the bulkheads (or the car was
originally built with just four stake pockets). At the ends. The four other
flats in the photo have log bunks, so I wouldn't be surprised if the car were
used for some variation of "pulpwood loading". Interesting that the horizontal
planking is not carried all the way across the car--apparently to allow the
brakeman to pass through and do his job should the car be running empty.
Also of interest (somewhat beyond freight cars, though) is the McKeen car.
Hubba hubba. Should Exactrail ever do one (or maybe Athearn), it'll be hard to
resist (yes, I know of the Kidder ones; but I recall them being much shorter).
I note that the first word on the side is definitely NOT BB&BC--I'm getting
something like "SULSHAM".
And the world's biggest Christmas tree--nice!
Ed
Edward Sutorik
S hed <shed999@...>
Thanks for the information on the MILW flat car. That narrows it down.
BTW, that McKeen car is the "Kulshan" which was originally bought by the Bellingham Bay & British Columbia. In 1912 the BB&BC was acquired by the Bellingham & Northern. which was a fully owned subsidiary of the Chicago Milwaukee & St Paul. All of the BB&BC freight cars and equiptment, such as the Kulshan, was transferred to the B&N. In 1919 the B&N was absorbed into the CM&StP and the Kulshan served the Milwaukee Road until it was involved in an accident in 1921 or 1922. It was scrapped thereafter. Most likely the Kulshan operated on the Bellingham route until it's demise (maybe).
I'm not sure when the BB&BC bought the Kulshan. It was not in my May 1909 ORER but it does show up in my Dec 1911 ORER. So it was bought sometime between those two dates.
I have a color post card of the Kulshan and it was painted the same color as the restored V&T McKeen car. Really cool looking thing.
In case some of you are curious about the Milwaukee's Bellingham line, here is a brief explanation of it. And only a brief explanation since I don't want to stray off this group's topic. But I think some information on the Milwaukee Road's Puget Sound freight car operation is in order.
Living north of Seattle for me it is hard not to talk about the Milwaukee Road and Bellingham not think about the marvelous car ferry system that it used to have. For those not familiar with it beyond what the Seattle & North Coast did here is a very brief outline on how things used to be.
The BB&BC was pretty much a bridge route between Sumas (with the Canadian Pacific) and Bellingham (with the Great Northern). When the BB&BC was purchased by the CM&StP in 1912, the line did not connect with the rest of the Milwaukee Road system. The Bellingham & Northern was a wholly owned CM&StP subsidiary with the express purpose of buying the BB&BC.
Another subsidiary called the Milwaukee Terminal Railway was organized in April 7, 1908 with the purpose of constructing trackage and ferry landings and the operation of car ferries for the Milwaukee Road in the Puget Sound.
Initially the Milwaukee Terminal had facilities in Seattle (3-tracks in 1909), Ballard (2 slips in 1909: 1-track and 3-tracks), Tacoma (3-tracks in 1909), Port Blakely (1-track in 1912), Eagle Harbor (Winslow) (1-track in 1912), Bellingham (3-tracks in 1912), Port Angeles (1-track in in 1914), Port Townsend (3-tracks in 1915). This information came from an official valuation report.
The Milwaukee Road also built car ferry terminals in Port Gamble, Shelton and North Vancouver, BC. BTW, in case you were wondering, BCIT lettered cars were initally dedicated for BCOL-MILW service.
The Port Angeles landing was replaced by the Port Townsend landing in 1915. In 1916 the Ballard landings was removed. Also in 1916 the Tacoma landing was removed to be replaced by Dock #2 and a single track landing constructed across the waterway from the original. The Seattle to Port Townsend run was the longest lived and probably the most famous. The ferry landing hardware is still there at Port Townsend. And you can also see what's left of the Bellingham ferry landing. Just go to your favorite map website, such as Google Maps and Bing Maps, type in "Bellingham WA". You want to find where Corwall Ave and E Pine St meet.
Seattle's ferry landing is now disappeared thanks to the Port of Seattle. But you can see where it used to be at East Marginal Way and just south of S Lander St. If you are lucky you can still see it depending on the age of the satellite photo some images. It was gone in Bing maps when I checked an hour ago but it reappeared a few minutes ago when I checked again.
The Port Townsend ferry landing is on the south side of town and adjacent to the marina. You can see the track lead going out to the car ferry landing.
Very interesting operation and probably more than you want to know. I'll stop here now.
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA
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From: Edwardsutorik@...
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:18:37 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Having Problem Identifying MILW car
--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:
Also of interest (somewhat beyond freight cars, though) is the McKeen car. Hubba hubba. Should Exactrail ever do one (or maybe Athearn), it'll be hard to resist (yes, I know of the Kidder ones; but I recall them being much shorter). I note that the first word on the side is definitely NOT BB&BC--I'm getting something like "SULSHAM".
And the world's biggest Christmas tree--nice!
Ed
Edward Sutorik
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
BTW, that McKeen car is the "Kulshan" which was originally bought by the Bellingham Bay & British Columbia. In 1912 the BB&BC was acquired by the Bellingham & Northern. which was a fully owned subsidiary of the Chicago Milwaukee & St Paul. All of the BB&BC freight cars and equiptment, such as the Kulshan, was transferred to the B&N. In 1919 the B&N was absorbed into the CM&StP and the Kulshan served the Milwaukee Road until it was involved in an accident in 1921 or 1922. It was scrapped thereafter. Most likely the Kulshan operated on the Bellingham route until it's demise (maybe).
I'm not sure when the BB&BC bought the Kulshan. It was not in my May 1909 ORER but it does show up in my Dec 1911 ORER. So it was bought sometime between those two dates.
I have a color post card of the Kulshan and it was painted the same color as the restored V&T McKeen car. Really cool looking thing.
In case some of you are curious about the Milwaukee's Bellingham line, here is a brief explanation of it. And only a brief explanation since I don't want to stray off this group's topic. But I think some information on the Milwaukee Road's Puget Sound freight car operation is in order.
Living north of Seattle for me it is hard not to talk about the Milwaukee Road and Bellingham not think about the marvelous car ferry system that it used to have. For those not familiar with it beyond what the Seattle & North Coast did here is a very brief outline on how things used to be.
The BB&BC was pretty much a bridge route between Sumas (with the Canadian Pacific) and Bellingham (with the Great Northern). When the BB&BC was purchased by the CM&StP in 1912, the line did not connect with the rest of the Milwaukee Road system. The Bellingham & Northern was a wholly owned CM&StP subsidiary with the express purpose of buying the BB&BC.
Another subsidiary called the Milwaukee Terminal Railway was organized in April 7, 1908 with the purpose of constructing trackage and ferry landings and the operation of car ferries for the Milwaukee Road in the Puget Sound.
Initially the Milwaukee Terminal had facilities in Seattle (3-tracks in 1909), Ballard (2 slips in 1909: 1-track and 3-tracks), Tacoma (3-tracks in 1909), Port Blakely (1-track in 1912), Eagle Harbor (Winslow) (1-track in 1912), Bellingham (3-tracks in 1912), Port Angeles (1-track in in 1914), Port Townsend (3-tracks in 1915). This information came from an official valuation report.
The Milwaukee Road also built car ferry terminals in Port Gamble, Shelton and North Vancouver, BC. BTW, in case you were wondering, BCIT lettered cars were initally dedicated for BCOL-MILW service.
The Port Angeles landing was replaced by the Port Townsend landing in 1915. In 1916 the Ballard landings was removed. Also in 1916 the Tacoma landing was removed to be replaced by Dock #2 and a single track landing constructed across the waterway from the original. The Seattle to Port Townsend run was the longest lived and probably the most famous. The ferry landing hardware is still there at Port Townsend. And you can also see what's left of the Bellingham ferry landing. Just go to your favorite map website, such as Google Maps and Bing Maps, type in "Bellingham WA". You want to find where Corwall Ave and E Pine St meet.
Seattle's ferry landing is now disappeared thanks to the Port of Seattle. But you can see where it used to be at East Marginal Way and just south of S Lander St. If you are lucky you can still see it depending on the age of the satellite photo some images. It was gone in Bing maps when I checked an hour ago but it reappeared a few minutes ago when I checked again.
The Port Townsend ferry landing is on the south side of town and adjacent to the marina. You can see the track lead going out to the car ferry landing.
Very interesting operation and probably more than you want to know. I'll stop here now.
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA
To: STMFC@...
From: Edwardsutorik@...
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:18:37 +0000
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Having Problem Identifying MILW car
--- In STMFC@..., S hed <shed999@...> wrote:
The car number appears to be either 68319 or 68519. The former is in series 68001-68489 (odd numbers) with 220 cars in the November 1926 ORER. The latter number is in series 68511-68619 (odd numbers) with 37 cars. The cars are 41' outside length with steel underframes. There is no note concerning the bulkheads; but I note on the photo that the only stakepockets seem to be the ones that receive the apparently removably bulkheads, so it appears the car has been at least slightly modified to accept the bulkheads (or the car was originally built with just four stake pockets. At the ends. The four other flats in the photo have log bunks, so I wouldn't be surprised if the car were used for some variation of "pulpwood loading". Interesting that the horizontal planking is not carried all the way across the car--apparently to allow the brakeman to pass through and do his job should the car be running empty.
I recently found the following for Bellingham WA
http://www.downtownbellingham.com/documents/RailroadWalkingTour.pdf
If you go to the far right of page 1 and zoom in you'll see a really neat looking CM&StP bulkhead flat car. I've been trying to identify what series that car belongs to but with no luck.
Is there anyone here that can help out?
In case you are wondering, those hoppers in front of the MILW car belong to Olympic Portland Cement Co. OPCCo has a large plant on the northside of Bellingham (and on Puget Sound) and it was served by the GN and the MILW. Not sure what kind of hoppers those are though. And that plant is still in operation.
BTW, on the bottom right behind the Bellingham & Northern steam engine is a Bellingham & Northern 36' box car (they only had one series of box car, 600 to 690). And I think the car behind that is a Chicago, Milwaukee & Puget Sound 50' automobile box car (series 206501 to 207470).
- Steve Hedlund, Silver Lake, WA
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
Also of interest (somewhat beyond freight cars, though) is the McKeen car. Hubba hubba. Should Exactrail ever do one (or maybe Athearn), it'll be hard to resist (yes, I know of the Kidder ones; but I recall them being much shorter). I note that the first word on the side is definitely NOT BB&BC--I'm getting something like "SULSHAM".
And the world's biggest Christmas tree--nice!
Ed
Edward Sutorik
[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]