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Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers.
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Bill Welch
I will chime in with information that Rich shared with me about these cars over the weekend. The cars in question were USRA 3-bay hoppers built for the Virginian (Who Knew?) who sold them to Ortner rather than rebuild them when the time came. So the cars in question are rebuilt USRA 3-Bay hoppers owned second hand by the TC, and probably unknown to most of us. Let the detective work begin.
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Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Richard Yoder" <oscale48@...> wrote:
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James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
I posted this to the NWHS list; here is the only response.
Jim Brewer Glenwood MD ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org> To: "NW Mailing List" <nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org> Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2011 11:25:54 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers. I can't claim to be a guru by any stretch of the imagination, but...these are the VGN H-5 70 ton cars built to a USRA/ARA (I get confused)design. The original design was used by NYC, C&O, and VGN, and had two sawtooth discharge chutes and a center clamshell. All three railroads rebuilt these cars into the three sawtooth chute version. I believe that C&O's were rebuilt with peaked or arch ends. (Al; help!!). Other than the High Capacity Gons, these were the largest coal carrying cars on the VGN until the H-14 70ton triples came in the mid fifties. There were two of them left on the Virginian at the time of the N&W merger(per Dow). When I did the Virginian Coal Cars clinic I put out a request for any pix of these in Virginian livery as rebuilt. A pic of one of the cars on the TC is the only one that has surfaced to far. There is a pretty good picture of one of these in the as built clamshell version in Hundman's article on the High Capacity gons in one of the last issues of Mainline Modeler. With some work the Westerfield NYC (PMckY??)models of either version can be made into a VGN model. Correction or supplementation of the above is welcome, as always. Frank Bongiovanni On Tue, Mar 22, 2011 at 10:16 AM, NW Mailing List < nw-mailing-list@nwhs.org > wrote: Any VGN gurus have any info on these cars to share? Jim Brewer Glenwood MD ---------- I will chime in with information that Rich shared with me about these cars over the weekend. The cars in question were USRA 3-bay hoppers built for the Virginian (Who Knew?) who sold them to Ortner rather than rebuild them when the time came. So the cars in question are rebuilt USRA 3-Bay hoppers owned second hand by the TC, and probably unknown to most of us. Let the detective work begin. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com , "Richard Yoder" <wrote:
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David
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:
Any VGN gurus have any info on these cars to share?VGN 7000-7499, 500 cars built by SSC in 1-3/24. They seem to have lived out their lives in obscurity, receiving center sawtooth hoppers probably in the late 1930s, and otherwise going unnoticed until most were retired in the first half of the 1950s. David Thompson
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Bill Welch
Hopefully Rich Yoder is monitoring this list and will see this news, He was particuarly interested in the cars as they appeared on the TC and would like to know how to get a copy of the photo referred to here am sure.
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Bill Welch
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote:
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Good morning all.
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Thank you for the information that you were able to gather. Unfortunately I still could really use a photo or two of the Tennessee Central cars. Is there any known group out there that covers That covers the Tennessee Central RR? Sincerely, Rich Yoder
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lnbill Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:04 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers. Hopefully Rich Yoder is monitoring this list and will see this news, He was particuarly interested in the cars as they appeared on the TC and would like to know how to get a copy of the photo referred to here am sure. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote: are the VGN H-5 70 ton cars built to a USRA/ARA (I get confused)design. The original design was used by NYC, C&O, and VGN, and had two sawtooth discharge chutes and a center clamshell. All three railroads rebuilt these cars into the three sawtooth chute version. I believe that C&O's were rebuilt with peaked or arch ends. (Al; help!!). Other than the High Capacity Gons, these were the largest coal carrying cars on the VGN until the H-14 70ton triples came in the mid fifties. There were two of them left on the Virginian at the time of the N&W merger(per Dow). When I did the Virginian Coal Cars clinic I put out a request for any pix of these in Virginian livery as rebuilt. A pic of one of the cars on the TC is the only one that has surfaced to far. version in Hundman's article on the High Capacity gons in one of the last issues of Mainline Modeler. be made into a VGN model. wrote: over the weekend. The cars in question were USRA 3-bay hoppers built for the Virginian (Who Knew?) who sold them to Ortner rather than rebuild them when the time came. So the cars in question are rebuilt USRA 3-Bay hoppers owned second hand by the TC, and probably unknown to most of us. Let the detective work begin.
Rich ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Hey Guys.
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I'm still looking for a few photos of those ex Virginian Tennessee Central cars. Sincerely, Rich Yoder
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of lnbill Sent: Friday, March 25, 2011 9:04 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: Tennessee Central-Rebuilt USRA 3-Bay Hoppers. Hopefully Rich Yoder is monitoring this list and will see this news, He was particuarly interested in the cars as they appeared on the TC and would like to know how to get a copy of the photo referred to here am sure. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "James F. Brewer" <jfbrewer@...> wrote: are the VGN H-5 70 ton cars built to a USRA/ARA (I get confused)design. The original design was used by NYC, C&O, and VGN, and had two sawtooth discharge chutes and a center clamshell. All three railroads rebuilt these cars into the three sawtooth chute version. I believe that C&O's were rebuilt with peaked or arch ends. (Al; help!!). Other than the High Capacity Gons, these were the largest coal carrying cars on the VGN until the H-14 70ton triples came in the mid fifties. There were two of them left on the Virginian at the time of the N&W merger(per Dow). When I did the Virginian Coal Cars clinic I put out a request for any pix of these in Virginian livery as rebuilt. A pic of one of the cars on the TC is the only one that has surfaced to far. version in Hundman's article on the High Capacity gons in one of the last issues of Mainline Modeler. be made into a VGN model. wrote: over the weekend. The cars in question were USRA 3-bay hoppers built for the Virginian (Who Knew?) who sold them to Ortner rather than rebuild them when the time came. So the cars in question are rebuilt USRA 3-Bay hoppers owned second hand by the TC, and probably unknown to most of us. Let the detective work begin.
Rich ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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