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National Type B/B-1 (was Re: Kadee Trucks)


Tim O'Connor
 

Add:

GN 15400, 40' double door box (postwar AAR)
FW&D 8346, 40' single door box (1940 AAR)
FW&D 8427, 40' single door box (1940 AAR)
MONON 9383, 40' single door box (1937 AAR)
GTW 591399, 50' double door box, end doors (1940 AAR)
CB&Q 21000-21299, 50' single door box (1940 AAR)
CB&Q 48500-48599, 50' double door box, end doors (1940 AAR)
ERIE 95000-95099, 40' double door box (1940 AAR)

Also: hoppers, gondolas, tank cars, covered hoppers, and reefers... :-)

Some National Type B-1's were made with roller bearings, but
we won't go there...

Tim O'Connor

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Brian Leppert wrote

OK Paul, for you and other truck-challenged modelers <grin>, here's some applications for National Malleable & Steel Castings Co's "B" trucks on 40' steel box cars.

1937 AAR 10' IH Box Cars:

CN 472500-472799 blt 1937-38 Type B
477350-477649 blt 1939 Type B
485515-485764 blt 1944 B-1

ERIE 78000-78249 blt 1936 Type B
78500-78999 blt 1940 Type B

T&P 40000-40499 blt 1937 Type B

1937 AAR Modified Box Cars:

ATSF Bx-34 some blt 1940 B-1
Bx-37 some blt 1941-42 B-1

CB&Q 33750-33827 blt 1942 B-1
34000-34171 blt 1942 B-1

ERIE 80000-80199 blt 1941 Type B

IC 17800-17999 blt 1939 Type B
18800-18999 blt 1939 Type B
19300-19499 blt 1940 Type B

NP 27350-27499 blt 1942 B-1
27500-27999 blt 1942 B-1


Post-War Box Cars:

DL&W 52500-52999 blt 12-48 B-1

ERIE 82000-82499 blt 10-45 B-1


Paul Lyons
 

Tim,
Which are they--B, or B-1?
Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@comcast.net>
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, Apr 15, 2011 10:43 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: National Type B/B-1 (was Re: Kadee Trucks)




Add:

GN 15400, 40' double door box (postwar AAR)
FW&D 8346, 40' single door box (1940 AAR)
FW&D 8427, 40' single door box (1940 AAR)
MONON 9383, 40' single door box (1937 AAR)
GTW 591399, 50' double door box, end doors (1940 AAR)
CB&Q 21000-21299, 50' single door box (1940 AAR)
CB&Q 48500-48599, 50' double door box, end doors (1940 AAR)
ERIE 95000-95099, 40' double door box (1940 AAR)

Also: hoppers, gondolas, tank cars, covered hoppers, and reefers... :-)

Some National Type B-1's were made with roller bearings, but
we won't go there...

Tim O'Connor

------------------------------------------------

Brian Leppert wrote

OK Paul, for you and other truck-challenged modelers <grin>, here's some applications for National Malleable & Steel Castings Co's "B" trucks on 40' steel box cars.

1937 AAR 10' IH Box Cars:

CN 472500-472799 blt 1937-38 Type B
477350-477649 blt 1939 Type B
485515-485764 blt 1944 B-1

ERIE 78000-78249 blt 1936 Type B
78500-78999 blt 1940 Type B

T&P 40000-40499 blt 1937 Type B

1937 AAR Modified Box Cars:

ATSF Bx-34 some blt 1940 B-1
Bx-37 some blt 1941-42 B-1

CB&Q 33750-33827 blt 1942 B-1
34000-34171 blt 1942 B-1

ERIE 80000-80199 blt 1941 Type B

IC 17800-17999 blt 1939 Type B
18800-18999 blt 1939 Type B
19300-19499 blt 1940 Type B

NP 27350-27499 blt 1942 B-1
27500-27999 blt 1942 B-1


Post-War Box Cars:

DL&W 52500-52999 blt 12-48 B-1

ERIE 82000-82499 blt 10-45 B-1






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Tim O'Connor
 

Gimme a break Paul :-) Until Brian mentioned it two days ago,
I didn't even know there were two types! Thanks a lot, Brian!

Remember my comment about no one complaining about incorrect
retainer valves because there weren't any? Now we'll be worrying
about having the WRONG National Type-whatever truck. Thank God
no one has made all-metal vs composition brake shoe details yet!
And what about roll dampers (those little widgets on top of the
truck bolsters)? There were many different brands and styles,
usually customer-specified. Egad, there's no end in sight! =-O

Tim O'Connor

p.s. just kidding. i eat this stuff up.

At 4/15/2011 01:52 PM Friday, you wrote:

Tim,
Which are they--B, or B-1?
Paul Lyons


brianleppert@att.net
 

I've added truck types below.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, cobrapsl@... wrote:


Tim,
Which are they--B, or B-1?
Paul Lyons

-----Original Message-----
From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...>
Add:

GN 15400, 40' double door box (postwar AAR)---Type B
FW&D 8346, 40' single door box (1940 AAR)---B-1
FW&D 8427, 40' single door box (1940 AAR) B-1
MONON 9383, 40' single door box (1937 AAR)---? never seen a photo
GTW 591399, 50' double door box, end doors (1940 AAR)---Type B
CB&Q 21000-21299, 50' single door box (1940 AAR) Type B
CB&Q 48500-48599, 50' double door box, end doors (1940 AAR)---Type B
ERIE 95000-95099, 40' double door box (1940 AAR)---B-1


al_brown03
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@..." <brianleppert@...> wrote:




I've added truck types below.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV
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MONON 9383, 40' single door box (1937 AAR)---? never seen a photo
Mont Switzer states (MM 12/91 p 58) that CIL 9150-9499 had National Type B-1 trucks. Some published photos:

CIL 9294 and 9157: MRG 9-10/84 p 11
CIL 9179: MM 12/91 p 60
CIL 9271: MM 12/95 p 41
CIL 9427: MM 9/01 p 53
CIL 9225 and 9283: MM 11/05 p 59

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.


brianleppert@att.net
 

Every car in the photos have National B-1 trucks, except I can't say for sure of #9427--the photo isn't that good.

Thanks, Al.

Again, the feature I look for is that funny bolster end. If the bottom is parallel to the top, it's a B-1. If the bottom angles up to the top, then a Type B. The Type B shows a lot more of the spring.

Brian Leppert
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brianleppert@" <brianleppert@> wrote:

MONON 9383, 40' single door box (1937 AAR)---? never seen a photo
Mont Switzer states (MM 12/91 p 58) that CIL 9150-9499 had National Type B-1 trucks. Some published photos:

CIL 9294 and 9157: MRG 9-10/84 p 11
CIL 9179: MM 12/91 p 60
CIL 9271: MM 12/95 p 41
CIL 9427: MM 9/01 p 53
CIL 9225 and 9283: MM 11/05 p 59

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.