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Bob McCarthy
Howdy,
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DAS is the DULUTH, ATLANTIC and SOUTH SHORE RR. Bob McCarthy Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S
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From: peter silcox <railroadpete@...> Subject: DAS box Car To: "Bob McCarthy" <thesupplycar@...>, gsc3@... Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:46 PM The Eqpt. Register of 1950 said the “DSA” was the Duluth , South Shore & Atlantic RR. Pete Silcox Any thoughts on what the car in question is? Bob --- On Wed, 7/6/11, George <gsc3@...> wrote: From: George <gsc3@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: single sheathed box car To: STMFC@... Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 1:36 AM No, but until somebody is sure, Durham and Southern seems a possiblity. George Courtney --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: Anyone recognize the provenance of this box car? Do you know what "DAS" stands for? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Randy Williamson
Bob,
It was Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic DSS&A. At 06:03 PM 7/9/2011, you wrote: Dayna & Randy Williamson [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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tmolsen@...
Pete Silcox is correct is stating that the Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic's reporting marks are "DSA". This is confirmed by the Official Railroad Equipment Registers that I have going back 70 years.
Examination of the registers that I have do not list a reporting mark "DAS" for any railroad or private operator. Thomas M. Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 302) 738-4292 tmolsen@...
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jerryglow2
This thread gave me a bit of a concern as I do a couple decal sets for them including a riveted side PS-1. The pictures I worked from and my sets use DSS&A. I wonder if it has changed over the years as my area of interest was transition era.
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Jerry Glow
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Joel Holmes <lehighvalley@...>
Hi All,
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Going back 89 years, my 1922 Equipment Register confirms what Tom has said. It shows that the Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic's reporting marks are: DS&A. Joel Holmes from way back in the hills of Tennessee Some see the light at the end of the tunnel as being the end. What they do not know is that light is a train. However, due to economic conditions, the light at the end of the tunnel has be shut off because that train has been canceled.
Pete Silcox is correct is stating that the Duluth, South Shore &
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Rich C
As answered about a week ago, DAS= Dwight A. Smith. They are a temp rep mark in transporting museum bound equipment. Jerry, your DSS&A sets are fine, those rep marks are still registered under Soo Line and of course CP Rail. They did change them to DSA when the ACI era came around as a Uniform Alphabetic Code.
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Rich Christie
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From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: DAS box Car To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 6:45 AM This thread gave me a bit of a concern as I do a couple decal sets for them including a riveted side PS-1. The pictures I worked from and my sets use DSS&A. I wonder if it has changed over the years as my area of interest was transition era. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote:
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Bob McCarthy
Jerry,
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Yes it did change, however I do not know the date of change. Bob
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From: jerryglow@... <jerryglow@...> Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: DAS box Car To: STMFC@... Date: Sunday, July 10, 2011, 11:45 AM This thread gave me a bit of a concern as I do a couple decal sets for them including a riveted side PS-1. The pictures I worked from and my sets use DSS&A. I wonder if it has changed over the years as my area of interest was transition era. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote: Pete Silcox is correct is stating that the Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic's reporting marks are "DSA". This is confirmed by the Official Railroad Equipment Registers that I have going back 70 years. Examination of the registers that I have do not list a reporting mark "DAS" for any railroad or private operator. Thomas M. Olsen 7 Boundary Road, West Branch Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479 302) 738-4292 tmolsen@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Larry Kline
This thread also gave me a bit of a concern because I have an O scale Champ decal set I plan to use because a DSS&A box car appears in the Bill Pice WM video. The reporting marks in the Champ set are DSS&A, not DSA.
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I looked in my 4-51 ORER. It does say that the Duluth, South Shore & Atlantic's reporting marks are "DSA" However, the next line says: "The freight cars of this company are marked DSS&A." The 7-47 and 1-59 ORERs say the same thing. The 1-43 ORER says "The freight cars of this company are marked DSA or DSS&A." The 6-29 and 4-38 ORERs give the reporting marks as DSS&A. Larry Kline Pittsburgh, PA Jerry Glow said: This thread gave me a bit of a concern as I do a couple decal sets for them including a riveted side PS-1. The pictures I worked from and my sets use DSS&A. I wonder if it has changed over the years as my area of interest was transition era. Jerry Glow
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SUVCWORR@...
Its Duluth South Shore and Atlantic and the reporting marks as DSA see ORER and NRHS web site
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Rich Orr
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From: Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Sat, Jul 9, 2011 7:50 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: DAS box Car Howdy, DAS is the DULUTH, ATLANTIC and SOUTH SHORE RR. Bob McCarthy Modeling the Mighty Central of Georgia in Scale S --- On Fri, 7/8/11, peter silcox <railroadpete@...> wrote: From: peter silcox <railroadpete@...> Subject: DAS box Car To: "Bob McCarthy" <thesupplycar@...>, gsc3@... Date: Friday, July 8, 2011, 2:46 PM The Eqpt. Register of 1950 said the “DSA” was the Duluth , South Shore & Atlantic RR. Pete Silcox Any thoughts on what the car in question is? Bob --- On Wed, 7/6/11, George <gsc3@...> wrote: From: George <gsc3@...> Subject: [STMFC] Re: single sheathed box car To: STMFC@... Date: Wednesday, July 6, 2011, 1:36 AM No, but until somebody is sure, Durham and Southern seems a possiblity. George Courtney --- In STMFC@..., Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> wrote: Anyone recognize the provenance of this box car? Do you know what "DAS" stands for? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Steve Haas
<<I looked in my 4-51 ORER. It does say that the Duluth, South Shore &
Atlantic's reporting marks are "DSA" However, the next line says: "The freight cars of this company are marked DSS&A." The 7-47 and 1-59 ORERs say the same thing.>> As do the 10-49 and 4-57 ORERs, along with my memories of going down the freight yard in Houghton to watch trains in the early - mid 60's. Use those DSS&A reporting marks on your models without worry. Steve Haas Snoqualmie, WA
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SUVCWORR@...
Jerry,
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This is one of those depends times. Duluth South Shore & Atlantic reporting marks changed over time. According to the NRHS web site DS&A July 1923 DSS&A April 1938 DSA Jan 1952 - April 1961 and Oct 1966 Assigned to SOO Line between 1961 and 1966 and post 1966 Rich Orr
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From: jerryglow <jerryglow@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 6:46 am Subject: Fwd: [STMFC] Re: DAS box Car This thread gave me a bit of a concern as I do a couple decal sets for them including a riveted side PS-1. The pictures I worked from and my sets use DSS&A. I wonder if it has changed over the years as my area of interest was transition era. Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., <tmolsen@...> wrote: reporting marks are "DSA". This is confirmed by the Official Railroad Equipment Registers that I have going back 70 years. for any railroad or private operator.
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Rich, have you found a single photo of a freight car marked DSA?
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Web sites are not that useful if they simply regurgitate what is found in the ORER -- photos are the best reference. As Dennis pointed out, the Canadian Pacific is wrapped up in the history of Soo Line and DSS&A (and Jim Hill of the GN too, if you dig into the history). Corporate identity is one thing not always directly reflected on the rolling stock. Tim O'Connor
Duluth South Shore & Atlantic reporting marks changed over time. According to the NRHS web site
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al_brown03
RP CYC 16, p 26, shows DSA 16036, a USRA DS box, reweighed MARQ 1-39. All other photos I've seen of DSS&A freight cars (15-20) show "DSS&A" reporting marks. The shot of 16036 is the only one I've seen of the 16000 series.
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Gaertner's DSS&A book, p 238, shows DSS&A 18002, reweighed MARQ 8-40. It would appear that stencilling practice either changed in that time window, or wasn't (yet?) standardized. Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Dennis Storzek
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I don't have a copy of RP Cyc 16 handy, so can't look at the picture, but keep in mind that the 16000 series USRA cars were purchased second hand sometime in the late thirties, and the DSA mark could have been applied by the used equipment dealer for shipment. Dennis
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tmolsen@...
Thanks Larry! When I looked in the registers I was looking in the Railroad/Reporting Marks Index at the beginning of the registers.
There are a number of roads listed at the top of their page lisings with duplicate or older reporting marks even though the newer ones are in the index at the front. Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711-7479
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Tim,
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I was simply listing the assigned reporting marks. If you note there is no termination date for the DS&A and the DSS&A unlike the DSA which terminated twice. And from photographic evidence the DSS&A was used before it was officially assigned. As always photographs are the best source for a particular car. Rich Orr
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From: Tim O'Connor <timboconnor@...> To: STMFC <STMFC@...> Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 12:08 pm Subject: [STMFC] Re: DAS box Car Rich, have you found a single photo of a freight car marked DSA? Web sites are not that useful if they simply regurgitate what is found in the ORER -- photos are the best reference. As Dennis pointed out, the Canadian Pacific is wrapped up in the history of Soo Line and DSS&A (and Jim Hill of the GN too, if you dig into the history). Corporate identity is one thing not always directly reflected on the rolling stock. Tim O'Connor Duluth South Shore & Atlantic reporting marks changed over time. According tothe NRHS web site 1966 and post 1966
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Guy Wilber
Rich Wrote:
This is one of those depends times. Duluth South Shore & Atlantic reporting marks changed over time. According to the NRHS web site DS&A July 1923 DSS&A April 1938 Rich, The Transportation Division of both the ARA and AAR were charged with assigning reporting marks. The annual report listed both railroad and private owner reporting marks accepted by said road or private owner. The report for 1927 (March 8) shows a change from DS&A to DSS&A. Regards, Guy Wilber Reno, Nevada [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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