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USRA Gondola in 1943?
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S hed <shed999@...>
I know that there were some recent posts on USRA gondolas in the 1950s so I hope that I am not repeating what others have said. Anyway, I have run across a Shorpy photo of what appears to be of USRA origins with rebuilt(?) steel ends. Here is the link:
http://www.shorpy.com/node/69?size=_original The car in question is the IC gondola on the right side of the picture. My 1954 IC Freight Car Diagram Book isn't much help with this car. What do you guys think? Steve H, Silver Lake, WA |
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Benjamin Hom
Steve Hedlund asked:
"I have run across a Shorpy photo of what appears to be of USRA origins with rebuilt(?) steel ends. Here is the link: http://www.shorpy.com/node/69?size=_original The car in question is the IC gondola on the right side of the picture. My 1954 IC Freight Car Diagram Book isn't much help with this car. What do you guys think?" NOT a USRA gondola. The car does not have the pressed steel diagonals or the "open" center panel of the USRA gon. http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=g24.gif&fr=cl Another great photo that challenges modelers' assumptions - note the variations in weathering, the fact that none of it looks like anything blasted out of an airbrush, and the subtle variation in heights and textures of the freight cars that the eye notices despite being at "three feet". Other freight cars include an Erie 1932 ARA boxcar with Buckeye ends, a very dirty B&O M-26 subclass boxcar, two IC SS automobile boxcars, a WLE steel rebuild that I've not before encountered, and a freshly painted NYC DS boxcar. I'll do some more digging tonight after I get home. Ben Hom |
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Thomas Baker
That B&O M26--it appears to be such to me--demands a reflection in modeling. What a weathering job!
Tom ________________________________________ From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of Benjamin Hom [b.hom@...] Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2011 10:05 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA Gondola in 1943? Steve Hedlund asked: "I have run across a Shorpy photo of what appears to be of USRA origins with rebuilt(?) steel ends. Here is the link: http://www.shorpy.com/node/69?size=_original The car in question is the IC gondola on the right side of the picture. My 1954 IC Freight Car Diagram Book isn't much help with this car. What do you guys think?" NOT a USRA gondola. The car does not have the pressed steel diagonals or the "open" center panel of the USRA gon. http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=g24.gif&fr=cl Another great photo that challenges modelers' assumptions - note the variations in weathering, the fact that none of it looks like anything blasted out of an airbrush, and the subtle variation in heights and textures of the freight cars that the eye notices despite being at "three feet". Other freight cars include an Erie 1932 ARA boxcar with Buckeye ends, a very dirty B&O M-26 subclass boxcar, two IC SS automobile boxcars, a WLE steel rebuild that I've not before encountered, and a freshly painted NYC DS boxcar. I'll do some more digging tonight after I get home. Ben Hom ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Ray Breyer
--- On Wed, 7/27/11, S hed wrote:
I know that there were some recent posts on USRA gondolas in the 1950s so I hope that I am not repeating what others Hi Steve, IC 208182 is definitely not a USRA gondola; those cars were in the IC's 126000-128799 number series (the number in the photo LOOKS like "203182", but it's not: those were 1908-built gons which were essentially steel flats with wood sides). This car is part of a huge series of 12,200 gondolas, all built to the same general plan, built for the IC between 1922 and 1926. These were all drop-bottom gons, based on a similar group of 1000 fixed bottom cars delivered in 1918 (pre-USRA). These cars were used for all sorts of in-house conversions: to fixed bottom gons starting in 1939, to all-steel container gons starting in 1943, and into low-sided hoppers in 1945. A few stayed in their original configurationo (mostly on the C&IW) into the mid-1950s. Regards, Ray Breyer Elgin, IL |
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S hed <shed999@...>
Thanks Ray for the information which triggered another question. Do you think that it would take much work to rework a Intermountain car into one of these IC cars? I am at work so I don't access to my train stuff. - Steve H, Silver Lake WATo: STMFC@...
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From: rtbsvrr69@... Date: Wed, 27 Jul 2011 08:38:53 -0700 Subject: Re: [STMFC] USRA Gondola in 1943? --- On Wed, 7/27/11, S hed wrote:
I know that there were some recent posts on USRA gondolas in the 1950s so I hope that I am not repeating what others have said. Anyway, I have run across a Shorpy photo of what appears to be of USRA origins with rebuilt(?) steel ends. Here is the link: http://www.shorpy.com/node/69?size=_original The car in question is the IC gondola on the right side of the picture. My 1954 IC Freight Car Diagram Book isn't much help with this car. What do you guys think? Steve H, Silver Lake, WA Hi Steve, IC 208182 is definitely not a USRA gondola; those cars were in the IC's 126000-128799 number series (the number in the photo LOOKS like "203182", but it's not: those were 1908-built gons which were essentially steel flats with wood sides). This car is part of a huge series of 12,200 gondolas, all built to the same general plan, built for the IC between 1922 and 1926. These were all drop-bottom gons, based on a similar group of 1000 fixed bottom cars delivered in 1918 (pre-USRA). These cars were used for all sorts of in-house conversions: to fixed bottom gons starting in 1939, to all-steel container gons starting in 1943, and into low-sided hoppers in 1945. A few stayed in their original configurationo (mostly on the C&IW) into the mid-1950s. Regards, Ray Breyer Elgin, IL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Ray Breyer
--- On Wed, 7/27/11, S hed wrote:
Thanks Ray for the information which triggered another Hi again Steve! That's a non-starter, unless you're thinking about using only the underframe and the wood from the IMC kit and scratching everything else! The sides are completely different, as are the ends. Actually, this car would be pretty simple to scratchbuild, since everything on it except for the ends are stock Evergreen parts. Using Archer rivets would make the process a whole lot faster. I'll send you some information on these cars off-list shortly. Regards, Ray Breyer Elgin, IL |
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Schuyler Larrabee
Ben, the end of that WLE car caught my attention, too. I'll be very curious
what you can find. SGL Hedlund asked: "I have run across a Shorpy photo of what appears to be of USRA origins with rebuilt(?) steel ends. Here is the link: http://www.shorpy.com/node/69?size=_original The car in question is the IC gondola on the right side of the picture. My 1954 IC Freight Car Diagram Book isn't much help with this car. What do you guys think?" NOT a USRA gondola. The car does not have the pressed steel diagonals or the "open" center panel of the USRA gon. http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=g24.gif <http://prr.railfan.net/freight/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=g24.gif&fr=cl> &fr=cl Another great photo that challenges modelers' assumptions - note the variations in weathering, the fact that none of it looks like anything blasted out of an airbrush, and the subtle variation in heights and textures of the freight cars that the eye notices despite being at "three feet". Other freight cars include an Erie 1932 ARA boxcar with Buckeye ends, a very dirty B&O M-26 subclass boxcar, two IC SS automobile boxcars, a WLE steel rebuild that I've not before encountered, and a freshly painted NYC DS boxcar. I'll do some more digging tonight after I get home. Ben Hom ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17990) http://www.pctools.com <http://www.pctools.com/?cclick=EmailFooterClean_51> ======= ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.17990) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= |
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Tom,
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Way bac when the Virtual Modelers group was still active and we did the M26 as a project, this photo was the inspiration of my M26! Problem was that making it THAT dirty made it hard to read the road or number for ops! <G> Regards Bruce Smith Auburn, AL On Jul 27, 2011, at 10:26 AM, Thomas Baker wrote:
That B&O M26--it appears to be such to me--demands a reflection in modeling. What a weathering job! |
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David
--- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
Most likely W&LE 30000-30149, double-door auto boxes rebuilt 50 a year in 1934-6 from single-sheathed boxes 29000-29199 built by WSC&F in 1916. The Shorpy photo doesn't show it, but these appear to have Viking roofs. David Thompson |
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Dean Payne
Ben,
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The W&LE rebuild appears to be a 30000-series auto car, rebuilt in 1934 and 35 from 29000-series SS auto cars. Here's a link to a diagram: http://www.alphabetroute.com/wle/1947FrtDgms/30000-30049.pdf Note the Viking roof, and the two short panels to the left of the doors. I'll send you a photo off-line. Dean Payne --- In STMFC@..., Benjamin Hom <b.hom@...> wrote:
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