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Morton running boards
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Bud Rindfleisch
Gents,
I'm trying to find out where I can find out which cars used the Morton round hole running boards, except the PFE series of reefers, already have that info. Looking particularly for 40' & 50' boxcars and covered hoppers. Thanks in advance, Bud Rindfleisch |
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Bud
You're trying to look at the database from the bottom-up I'm afraid -- I don't know anyone who maintains a list of that kind. A scan reveals A&EC, ATSF/SFRD, B&O, BAR, C&NW, D&H, GN, IC, L&N, LV, NP, NYC, RF&P, SAL, SOO, SOU, SP&S, SP/T&NO, WP, UP all had freight cars with Morton rb's. But I'm not saying which ones. :-) And I'm sure that list is not complete. Tim O'Connor Gents, I'm trying to find out where I can find out which cars used the Morton round hole running boards, except the PFE series of reefers, already have that info. Looking particularly for 40' & 50' boxcars and covered hoppers. Thanks in advance, Bud Rindfleisch |
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Bud
You're trying to look at the database from the bottom-up I'm afraid -- I don't know anyone who maintains a list of that kind. A scan reveals A&EC, ATSF/SFRD, B&O, BAR, C&NW, D&H, GN, IC, L&N, LV, NP, NYC, RF&P, SAL, SOO, SOU, SP&S, SP/T&NO, WP, UP all had freight cars with Morton rb's. But I'm not saying which ones. :-) And I'm sure that list is not complete. Tim O'Connor Gents, I'm trying to find out where I can find out which cars used the Morton round hole running boards, except the PFE series of reefers, already have that info. Looking particularly for 40' & 50' boxcars and covered hoppers. Thanks in advance, Bud Rindfleisch |
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Barrybennetttoo@...
I have a photo of a MoPac 40ft boxcar, MP 31783, with Morton running board
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and cross walks, but a plain brake step, taken in 1956 whilst being mechanically unloaded at a grain elevator. This is from Baltimore Museum of Industry, so I assume the unloading was actually in Baltimore Port facilities. Barry Bennett Coventry, England. In a message dated 01/08/2011 01:34:56 GMT Daylight Time,
timboconnor@... writes: Bud You're trying to look at the database from the bottom-up I'm afraid -- I don't know anyone who maintains a list of that kind. A scan reveals A&EC, ATSF/SFRD, B&O, BAR, C&NW, D&H, GN, IC, L&N, LV, NP, NYC, RF&P, SAL, SOO, SOU, SP&S, SP/T&NO, WP, UP all had freight cars with Morton rb's. But I'm not saying which ones. :-) And I'm sure that list is not complete. Tim O'Connor Gents, I'm trying to find out where I can find out which cars used the Morton round hole running boards, except the PFE series of reefers, already have that info. Looking particularly for 40' & 50' boxcars and covered hoppers. Thanks in advance, Bud Rindfleisch [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Barry, is there any way you could share that image? MP 31783 was a
1932 ARA box car (MP 30000-32499 built 1936-1937 by Mount Vernon.) I'd guess the Morton running board was a replacement for the original running board. One of the Delano Bensenville photos shows MP 31059, and it appears to have a wood rb (although the image is blurry). A Mount Vernon builder photo of MP 31999 shows a wood rb. Tim O'Connor I have a photo of a MoPac 40ft boxcar, MP 31783, with Morton running board and cross walks, but a plain brake step, taken in 1956 whilst being mechanically unloaded at a grain elevator. This is from Baltimore Museum of Industry, so I assume the unloading was actually in Baltimore Port facilities. Barry Bennett Coventry, England. |
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mopacfirst
And that's a replacement for the original wooden running board. Probably applied by MoPac, since the paint isn't original either. I wish I knew how many wood-running-board cars had them replaced with steel ones, and I wish I knew which types in proportion, but I'd have to guess it was whoever was low bid the day the stores master issued a requisition.
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Ron Merrick --- In STMFC@..., Barrybennetttoo@... wrote:
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Barrybennetttoo@...
I probably ripped it off eBay or somebody else's post, maybe from the
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earlier trots we had re grain loading and unloading. Because of that I am reluctant to publish it for copyright reasons. Barry Bennett In a message dated 01/08/2011 20:31:36 GMT Daylight Time,
timboconnor@... writes: Barry, is there any way you could share that image? MP 31783 was a 1932 ARA box car (MP 30000-32499 built 1936-1937 by Mount Vernon.) I'd guess the Morton running board was a replacement for the original running board. One of the Delano Bensenville photos shows MP 31059, and it appears to have a wood rb (although the image is blurry). A Mount Vernon builder photo of MP 31999 shows a wood rb. Tim O'Connor I have a photo of a MoPac 40ft boxcar, MP 31783, with Morton running board and cross walks, but a plain brake step, taken in 1956 whilst being mechanically unloaded at a grain elevator. This is from Baltimore Museum of Industry, so I assume the unloading was actually in Baltimore Port facilities. Barry Bennett Coventry, England. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Barrybennetttoo@...
I saved the picture purely because of the running board and also the date
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fits exactly into my modelling period. Barry Bennett In a message dated 01/08/2011 20:40:49 GMT Daylight Time,
ron.merrick@... writes: And that's a replacement for the original wooden running board. Probably applied by MoPac, since the paint isn't original either. I wish I knew how many wood-running-board cars had them replaced with steel ones, and I wish I knew which types in proportion, but I'd have to guess it was whoever was low bid the day the stores master issued a requisition. Ron Merrick --- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) , Barrybennetttoo@... wrote: board and cross walks, but a plain brake step, taken in 1956 whilst beingof Industry, so I assume the unloading was actually in Baltimore Portfacilities.
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Bill Kelly
Tim,
try this: http://tinyurl.com/4u5gt5j It is in the Baltimore Museum of Industry. Later, Bill Kelly Tim wrote: whilst being mechanically unloaded at a grain elevator. This is fromBaltimore Museum of Industry, so I assume the unloading was actually inBaltimore Port facilities.____________________________________________________________ Mortgage Rates at 2.37% $250,000 loan for $650/month. See New Payment - No SSN Rqd. Save Now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL3141/4e37244d79c3347502m02vuc |
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Jim Mischke
In B&O files located in various places, there are a number of Bills of Materials for B&O freight car orders existing for study. These are jaw droppingly insightful.
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B&O ( ..... and I assume other railroads ..... ) spread the business around. A single 1000 boxcar order can have three different brake beams, two different running boards, two different truck sideframe castings, and three different power brake wheels. In these bills of materials, the car series' were called out, which car numbers had what equipment. I used to make generalizations about freight car hardware from several photos, but the B&O experience shows equipment varies greatly, even within the same order. This perspective makes freight car databases, either informal or comprehensive, something of a fool's errand. --- In STMFC@..., Barrybennetttoo@... wrote:
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Jim
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It's not always a fool's errand. Tony Thompson back in 1993 wrote an article on SP 40' steel box cars that covered ALL of the permutations of running boards, doors, trucks, and brakes -- It is foolish NOT to consult Tony's article (Feb & Mar 1993) when building any of SP's 10'0" box cars :-) Tim O'Connor In B&O files located in various places, there are a number of Bills of Materials for B&O freight car orders existing for study. These are jaw droppingly insightful. |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Tim O'Connor wrote:
It's not always a fool's errand. Tony Thompson back in 1993 wrote an article on SP 40' steel box cars that covered ALL of the permutations of running boards, doors, trucks, and brakes -- It is foolish NOT to consult Tony's article (Feb & Mar 1993) when building any of SP's 10'0" box cars :-)Thanks for the kind words, Tim, about my RMC article. But that was well before I had found ALL the prototype data, now collected in my volume on SP box cars (Vol. 4 of the series, _Southern Pacific Freight Cars_ from Signature Press). I should warn anyone who might rely entirely on the old RMC tabulation that a few of those entries have been corrected in the book, though the great bulk of what is in the RMC article is in fact right. And even in the book, a typo did creep in, to Table 12-3. Anyone who finds it can ask, and I'll provide the correct entry. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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John Hile
--- In STMFC@..., "Bud Rindfleisch" <BlackDiamondRR@...> wrote:
Bud, Have you been to the Steam Era Freight Cars sight and checked the boxcar data there? If not, here is a link... http://www.steamfreightcars.com/prototype/frtcars/protofrtcarsmain.html -John Hile |
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Bud, The Southern railway was a big user of Morton "Open Grip" running
boards. The first 50 foot boxcars to be equi8ped with them were 41500-41549, 40200-40249 and 41500-41549. These runnning boards were also used on 40 foot boxcars and bay window cabooses. I have the car numbers that used Morton Rrunning boards in 1956 and can send them to you off line if needed. Hope this helps Fenton Wells On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 9:05 PM, john66h <john66h@...> wrote: ** -- Fenton Wells 3047 Creek Run Sanford NC 27332 919-499-5545 srrfan1401@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Indeed, the Southern is the only road I know that split an order for
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1500 cars with the first 500 MORTON, and the next 1000 were wood! This was the series 21500-22999 built in 1942. Tim O'Connor At 8/2/2011 09:40 PM Tuesday, you wrote:
Bud, The Southern railway was a big user of Morton "Open Grip" running |
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Bud Rindfleisch
--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:
Thanks much for the info on the Morton equipped cars. Working in S scale, the only commercial Stainless steel Morton material is just a 40' board for the PFE kits (PRS, same as Intermountain). If I can show the manufacturer of a larger range of cars I might getlucky and have Morton's made in 50' "with" the laterals and brake platforms. -- Thanks again guys!Bud Rindfleisch
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