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Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank
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John King
Is there a complete list of Westerfield kits online? Al's websites list the kits that were available at the time he stopped selling but I am wondering if there were kits that were produced early on and discontinued and are not listed.
I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists. Thanks in advance. John King |
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Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield
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From: boyds1949 To: stmfc@... Sent: Monday, August 29, 2011 2:24 PM Subject: [STMFC] Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank Is there a complete list of Westerfield kits online? Al's websites list the kits that were available at the time he stopped selling but I am wondering if there were kits that were produced early on and discontinued and are not listed. I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists. Thanks in advance. John King |
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mcindoefalls
Al, could John be asking about one of your pickle cars?
Walt Lankenau --- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote: I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists.
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In "Essential Freight Cars #20, March, 2005 RMC, Ted Culotta uses a Sunshine kit to model a vinegar car. It is one of the kit #'s 60.1-60.3.
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun60.pdf Aaron |
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Al and Patricia Westerfield <westerfield@...>
Walter - No chance. - Al Westerfield
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From: Walter To: STMFC@... Sent: Tuesday, August 30, 2011 6:27 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank Al, could John be asking about one of your pickle cars? Walt Lankenau --- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote: > > John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield > I was visiting a layout last week and there was a excellent model of Heinz 204 which he identified as being built from a Westerfield kit. I don't remember ever seeing this model on his lists. > > Thanks in advance. > > John King > > > > > > > |
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John King
Thanks to all who responded, both on the list and privately.
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My original post was not 100% clear. The car I was talking about was a wooden tank car. Heinz had a fleet of 36 foot cars. Imagine a shorter version of the Standard Brands car from Sunshine or a shorter version of the car that Ambroid produced years ago, but with completly different details. Overland imported a version of the Heinz vinegar tank 15 or 20 years ago and Strombeker made a kit in 1949, but the paper wrapper Strombeker used for the tank details doesn't exactly come up to today's standards. There has apparantly never been a resin kit for this car. John K. --- In STMFC@..., "Al and Patricia Westerfield" <westerfield@...> wrote:
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tmolsen@...
John,
If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint hearted. Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711 |
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He's probably thinking of the Heinz PICKLE tank car from Westerfield,
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kits 2200/1/2/3. At 8/29/2011 11:28 PM Monday, you wrote:
John - Virtually everything we've ever made except for limited runs and cars removed because they weren't accurate enough are on the web site. We did not make a vinegar tank car. - Al Westerfield |
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Dave Nelson
Operationally speaking, Vinegar production in the steam era was usually
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associated with Yeast production, vinegar being a byproduct. So if you know of a Fleishman or in later years, Standard Brand's yeast factory (there was one in East Oakland, CA), odds are good they also shipped vinegar. Yeast may not seem like much of a product, but every large bread bakery needed plenty and so the bigger the city, the better the odds a Standard Brands yeast plant was near. As for vinegar consumption, it wasn't just for pickling cucumbers -- making Catsup calls for plenty too. Dave Nelson -----Original Message-----
John, If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint hearted. Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711 |
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On the subject of vinigar tanks...for you Southern fans, on the lower half
of page 46 of the book "Southern Railway System, a pictorial" by Doug Nuckles and Curt Tillotson Jr. There is a picture of what looks like a vinigar tank(I think), the first car behind Southern F7A (4187)leaving Oxford NC at O&H junction. According to the authors the "pickle" car is comming from a plant in Henderson NC. I wonder if the authors had other pictures showing a better photo of the car that didn't make it into the book? FYI Fenton Wells On Wed, Aug 31, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Dave Nelson <Lake_Muskoka@...> wrote: ** -- Fenton Wells 3047 Creek Run Sanford NC 27332 919-499-5545 srrfan1401@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Frank Pearsall
Good afternoon:
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I have two sets of drawings in quarter-inch: H.J. Heinz Pickle Tankcar H.J. Heinz Vinegar Tankcar These drawings are from the Heinz Company and are dated in 1941. Contact me off list for ordering info. Frank A. Pearsall Brevard, N.C. On Aug 31, 2011, at 1:56 PM, O Fenton Wells wrote:
On the subject of vinegar tanks for you Southern fans, on the lower half of page 46 of the book "Southern Railway System, a pictorial" by Doug Nuckles and Curt Tillotson Jr., there is a picture of what looks like a vinegar tank (I think), the first car behind Southern F7A (4187)leaving Oxford NC at O&H junction. According to the authors the "pickle" car is comming from a plant in Henderson NC. I wonder if the authors had other pictures showing a better photo of the car that didn't make it into the book? FYI Fenton Wells |
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Schuyler Larrabee
I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to build
one of the Sunshine cars. SGL If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it. He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to build nor for the faint hearted. Tom Olsen Newark, Delaware, 19711 ======= Email scanned by PC Tools - No viruses or spyware found. (Email Guard: 7.0.0.21, Virus/Spyware Database: 6.18220) http://www.pctools.com/ ======= |
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Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
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While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you approach the task logically it's really not that difficult. And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker. I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank car kit. Pierre Oliver www.elgincarshops.com --- In STMFC@..., "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
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Dennis Williams
I built 5 of them. The 1st was the problem car, after that,, they were easy. Dennis. WWW.resinbuilders4u.com
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On Thu Sep 1st, 2011 7:01 AM PDT Pierre wrote:
So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine. |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
The earliest Westerfield hopper car kits were described by several modelers as requiring five hands to assemble. One reason I never tried one.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
And that was just for drilling the tough resin! :-)
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Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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Armand Premo
Almost forgot about those hoppers.I did build five with varying degrees of satisfaction.Armand premo
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From: Anthony Thompson To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 2:00 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank The earliest Westerfield hopper car kits were described by several modelers as requiring five hands to assemble. One reason I never tried one. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.901 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3870 - Release Date: 09/01/11 02:34:00 |
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I've built about 20 of the Westerfield with no problems, but then I had a
tough time with the Sunshine Warren tank car. The good thing is that I seem to be getting better with each one. I actually enjoy them more than the Branchline or Intermountain kits. Fenton Wells On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:07 AM, Dennis Williams <pennsy6200@...>wrote: ** -- Fenton Wells 3047 Creek Run Sanford NC 27332 919-499-5545 srrfan1401@... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
Like those "kits" from a certain defunct firm in Vancouver, Pierre? I have two of their CPR 2200-series streamlined coaches and a mail-and-express car that I'm fighting with on my workbench. I WILL win, but it'll be a hard-won victory! And a battle looms with one of NorWest's CN ice reefers that I will fight later.
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What a loss to the hobby when Al Westerfield stopped making kits! Though I hope that Al enjoys his Very Well-Deserved retirement. Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker. Pierre Oliver |
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