Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)


Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

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Pierre
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To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
 

Lest I go on for hours, I'll restrict myself to 2 onlist;
Sylvan's Canadian Slabside hoppers
NorWest's CC&F tankcar.
The tankcar is almost unbuildable once Brian Pate had someone else do his casting for him.
Both are cars I refuse to undertake for clients.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood


-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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O Fenton Wells
 

Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
 

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Wow, that is very interesting!

Thanks, Pierre.

Elden Gatwood

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Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:21 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank (UNCLASSIFIED)



Lest I go on for hours, I'll restrict myself to 2 onlist; Sylvan's Canadian
Slabside hoppers NorWest's CC&F tankcar.
The tankcar is almost unbuildable once Brian Pate had someone else do his
casting for him.
Both are cars I refuse to undertake for clients.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Gatwood,
Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood


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Behalf Of Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank



So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I
feel that it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult
kit. I've now built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's
suggested building process and just plain thinking it through, 3
rather nice cars have resulted. If you approach the task logically it's
really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the
vinegar tank car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

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<mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@>
wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number
of pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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randy arnold
 

Go to the messages folder click advanced search and do a search using
"author contains": darnaby

I just did the same..it is fairly close to the end of the messages

Regards Randy

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...>wrote:

Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one
of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks Gentlemen,
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:38 AM, randy arnold <61mkii@...> wrote:

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Go to the messages folder click advanced search and do a search using
"author contains": darnaby

I just did the same..it is fairly close to the end of the messages

Regards Randy

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:32 AM, O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...
wrote:
Elden, Where would I find Darnaby's kit building suggestions? I have one
of
those to build and need all the help I can get.
Fenton Wells

On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 10:13 AM, Gatwood, Elden SAW <
elden.j.gatwood@...> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf
Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building
the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I
feel
that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've
now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building
process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted.
If
you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin
kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit
maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the
vinegar
tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:

I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
build one of the Sunshine cars.



SGL



If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number
of
pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
build nor for the faint hearted.

Tom Olsen
Newark, Delaware, 19711





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Armand Premo
 

Hardly an expert,but I have built some Fifty Westerfield kits,I personally think that their ore cars, and NYC stock cars are reasonably difficult .Then I started their Caswell Gondola.It had to have been designed by Freddy..The number of small operating wheels for the drop bottom doors are a time consuming pain in the B---I would have to rate this car as the most challenging of all the Westerfields with which I am familiar......... and I have yet to finish it . ..Armand Premo

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood

-----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Pierre
Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 10:02 AM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Westerfield Kits - Heinz Vinegar Tank

So I've seen now multiple references to the "difficulties" in building the
vinegar tank car kit from Sunshine.
While it is indeed not a first timer kit, nor is it a simple kit, I feel that
it is unfairly getting a reputation as a massively difficult kit. I've now
built 3 of them and between reading Bill Darnaby's suggested building process
and just plain thinking it through, 3 rather nice cars have resulted. If you
approach the task logically it's really not that difficult.
And I can further state without hesitation, that there are other resin kits
out there that are far worse and very badly thought out by the kit maker.
I guess, I'm asking/suggesting that we reconsider "bashing " the vinegar tank
car kit.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Schuyler
Larrabee" <schuyler.larrabee@...> wrote:
>
> I believe our own Denny Anspach is a veteran of the wars required to
> build one of the Sunshine cars.
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> SGL
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>
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> If you look on Al's website you will find that Al produced a number of
> pickle cars, but no vinegar cars. The Vinegar car that Sunshine
> produced is so complex that even Ted Culotta had a time building it.
> He did a great job with it, but it is not a kit for the newbie to
> build nor for the faint hearted.
>
> Tom Olsen
> Newark, Delaware, 19711
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Steve Lucas <stevelucas3@...>
 

I've built one of the NorWest tank cars. It wound up as an Imperial Oil car once I added aftermarket parts and fabricated a number of other parts, also finding small factual errors in the instructions. Another of these kits sits in a box with even more extensive mods started to become a McColl-Frontenac (Texaco's Canadian operation) tank car. I can only echo Pierre's comments about this f*&%$#@ kit. Good thing that I've built these cars for myself. To build them for someone else properly would require more effort than I think any modeller is willing to pay for.

Steve Lucas.

--- In STMFC@..., "Pierre" <pierre.oliver@...> wrote:

Lest I go on for hours, I'll restrict myself to 2 onlist;
Sylvan's Canadian Slabside hoppers
NorWest's CC&F tankcar.
The tankcar is almost unbuildable once Brian Pate had someone else do his casting for him.
Both are cars I refuse to undertake for clients.
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com

--- In STMFC@..., "Gatwood, Elden SAW" <elden.j.gatwood@> wrote:

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Pierre;

What kits are more "challenging"?

Elden Gatwood


roblmclear <rob.mclear3@...>
 

Then I started their Caswell Gondola.It had to have been designed by Freddy..The number of small operating wheels for the drop bottom doors are a time consuming pain in the B---I would have to rate this car as the most challenging of all the Westerfields with which I am familiar......... and I have yet to finish it . ..Armand Premo

Armand

I'm no expert either but I built two of these kits some time ago and had a great time doing it, I have posted a couple of pictures in the photos section under ATSF Caswells, hopefully they will turn up soon when approved by the moderator. I didn't get around to weathering them as they were sold almost after they were built when a friend offered more than I was able to refuse when he saw them. Loved the kits and really miss Al's products.

Regards
Rob Mclear
Brisbane Australia.