Although the photo I am referencing is from 1966 I don't *think* my
question is beyond the scope of the group because I am postive the car
was in service long before 1960, just not sure if it was in service as
photographed, so please accept my apologies if this car wasn't in this
service until post-1960...

Having said all that, I've been told by a reliable source this car was
in service for US Rubber. The herald on this tank car fascinates me so
I am looking for more detail if possible. The herald is not clearly
visible in the photo, but from what I can tell I would describe it as
follows;

Circular; probably 5-6' in diameter; the outer band is red with white
lettering - probably about 1' in width; the center - probably 3' in
diameter - is white and features what I can best describe as a "yachting
pennant" in the center; the "pennant" has a blue background and a white
circular center.

If this car is within the scope of the group I would appreciate as much
info as possible. If outside the scope, any references I should persue
would be greatly appreciated! If this car is appropriate for 1959 I
have to have one or two. The tank looks to me like an insulated 8,000
gallon - in the photo the car (and a sister that is cropped in the
photo) are on a plate girder bridge, so not being able to see the sill
and underframe, it wouldn't surprise me to learn this was a 10,000
gallon tank.

Thanks in advance,

Peter Ness

On Sep 27, 2011, at 2:27 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

If this car is within the scope of the group I would appreciate as
much
info as possible. If outside the scope, any references I should persue
would be greatly appreciated! If this car is appropriate for 1959 I
have to have one or two. The tank looks to me like an insulated 8,000
gallon - in the photo the car (and a sister that is cropped in the
photo) are on a plate girder bridge, so not being able to see the sill
and underframe, it wouldn't surprise me to learn this was a 10,000
gallon tank.

Peter,
Unless the car was renumbered at some point (unlikely), SHPX 13141 was
a 10,000-gallon ICC-103 insulated Type 27 car built in 1940. It was one
of 53 cars in ACF lot 2141A, series SHPX 13123-13175. The builder's
photo from this lot number, SHPX 13125, built 11-40, was painted black
with white stencils and plainly lettered for Shippers' Car Line. The
cars were equipped with heater pipes for use in asphalt service. Hope
this helps.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Hi Ed,

Many thanksf for the SHPX data! The Naugatuck Valley (in CT on the New Haven) where the photo was taken was the location of many chemical and rubber companies. There was a company called Naugatuck Chemical associated with US Rubber which became Uniroyal, etc., and I've tracked down some history, but not sure if this is the location of the photo, yet.

The tank appears insulated in the photo since I can see the end and I'm not surprise it's 10,000 gallon.

Is there a resource for finding out to whom SHPX cars were assigned in the 1950's? I've got a couple of leads I can follow up with on US Rubber, but that darned herald on the tank car is driving me batty!

If there's anyone on list who thinks they can help please let me know. I can scan the photo in question if my description of the herald sounds familiar.

Regards,
Peter Ness

On Sep 27, 2011, at 4:05 PM, Peter Ness wrote:

Is there a resource for finding out to whom SHPX cars were assigned
in the 1950's? I've got a couple of leads I can follow up with on US
Rubber, but that darned herald on the tank car is driving me batty!

Peter,
Unfortunately I know of no source providing any lessee history on SHPX
tank cars other than original lessees, which are specified in the ACF
bill of materials (cars built from 1931 to 1952). In the case of lot
2141A, apparently all 53 cars were originally placed in pool service as
there are no lessee data specified in the bill of materials.
Regards,
Ed Hawkins

Hi Ed.

Thanks. I have learned more about this car thanks in large part to Richard Hendrickson, some additional reseach last night on my own an on the part of a few other New Haven modelers;
- The company that leased this car was T.A.D. Jones Company
- They were in business from at least 1932 (appeals court property ruling) to 1977 (EPA report on State of CT business compliance survey)
- They were located at 200 Waterfront Street, New Haven, CT (ibid EPA report)
- They were a dealer in bituminous coal, oil and fuels (news clippings on-line)
- They had bulk storage (tank) facilities (Google Earth at above address - rail lines are still evident as are plenty of tanks -Ashland and others had tanks in the vicinity)
- They off-loaded oil from barges at the facility (appeals court ruling with a NJ barge company)
- They owned a diesel locomotive that was serviced by Cummins (1957 appeals court ruling with the New Haven Railroad)
- They leased at least two SHPX tank cars (photographic evidence)

...So, this is definitely an STMFC topic...the only question remaining is if they were a SHPX lessee before 1960, and based on the appeals court case in 1957 that mentioned the company owned a switcher, I feel I can go out on a short limb and be comfortable they were leasing SHPX cars pre-1960...perhaps not the car numbers I have evidence of, but for now I can live with that. I'm hoping on the NHRHTA Forum there might be some folks with switch lists or memories...

Regards,
Peter Ness

As a minor note, I would observe that T.A.D. Jones was, with his brother, a star
football player at Yale U. in New Haven
around 1910-20; he was subsequently the head football coach at Syracuse and
Yale, and is a member of the college football
Hall of Fame. As the Yale coach in 1923, he addressed his team before the final
game: "Gentlemen, you are about to play
football for Yale against Harvard. Never in your lives will you again do
something so important."

Tom Warne



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From: Peter Ness <prness@...>
To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wed, September 28, 2011 10:21:07 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] SHPX 13141 help


Hi Ed.

Thanks. I have learned more about this car thanks in large part to Richard
Hendrickson, some additional reseach last night on my own an on the part of a
few other New Haven modelers;
- The company that leased this car was T.A.D. Jones Company
- They were in business from at least 1932 (appeals court property ruling) to
1977 (EPA report on State of CT business compliance survey)
- They were located at 200 Waterfront Street, New Haven, CT (ibid EPA report)
- They were a dealer in bituminous coal, oil and fuels (news clippings on-line)
- They had bulk storage (tank) facilities (Google Earth at above address - rail
lines are still evident as are plenty of tanks -Ashland and others had tanks in
the vicinity)
- They off-loaded oil from barges at the facility (appeals court ruling with a
NJ barge company)
- They owned a diesel locomotive that was serviced by Cummins (1957 appeals
court ruling with the New Haven Railroad)
- They leased at least two SHPX tank cars (photographic evidence)

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