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Kadee Bracket Grabs (UNCLASSIFIED)
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Gatwood, Elden J SAD
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Caveats: NONE Paul; I was hoping somebody would say it. I had the same experience with Kadee grabs, which are so precisely designed you have to drill perfect holes or they bow or misalign, and I had been doing the same thing with them; cutting off two diagonally-opposed pins and drilling two larger holes so there is enough "play", but I have to say, I sure would like to have a metal template, too! Elden Gatwood
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From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lyons Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:12 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kadee Bracket Grabs Ben, Bill, I have been using Kadee grab irons on some models for the last few years and there is a downside side--- that is why I said "some" models. The Kadee grab has four attachment pins, which requires four precision located holes if you are going to use them as intended. I know, everyone is going to say "all you have to is make a template". The way these pins are designed with a slope the template has to be DEAD accurate, or the grab will not seat right. Remember these are press fits on Kadee models! This accurate a template is not something that is easy to make unless you have a machine shop. I am actually considering having a special shaped template made for the IMWX/RC/IM boxcar models. The template would be designed to lip over the end and bottom, such that both grab locations were perfectly located and the holes would be dead on Kadee dimensions for drilling. For now I cut off two of the "pins" and use a styrene drill template with oversize holes for some "wiggle room". Not perfect, but it works fairly well. When my stash of Overland grabs run out, I will probably get serious about the template/s needed for the Kadee grabs. Paul Lyons -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@att.net <mailto:b.hom%40att.net> > To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:05 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kadee Bracket Grabs Bill Welch wrote: "I have not seen any mention of this on our list so I thought I let people know that Kadee now offers their Bracket Grabs as parts. Here are the part number from their website. 2250 Side grab irons-Red Oxide: 16 pieces 2251 Side grab irons-Boxcar Re: 16 pieces 2252 End grab irons-Red Oxide: 4 pair 2253 End grab irons-Boxcar Red: 4 pair 2254 End grab irons-Black: 4 pair" These are most welcome parts, as there really hasn't been any decent aftermarket parts for these to replace clunky or easily-damaged kit parts. I've been making do with salvaging the Detail Associates parts (which are too "wide") by cutting away the "brackets" and replacing the "grab" portion with wire. Ben Hom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE
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Scott Seders
Perhaps Plano could be persuaded to create a template.
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Scott Seders
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From: "Elden SAW Gatwood" <elden.j.gatwood@usace.army.mil> To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, October 6, 2011 12:42:12 PM Subject: RE: [STMFC] Kadee Bracket Grabs (UNCLASSIFIED) Classification: UNCLASSIFIED Caveats: NONE Paul; I was hoping somebody would say it. I had the same experience with Kadee grabs, which are so precisely designed you have to drill perfect holes or they bow or misalign, and I had been doing the same thing with them; cutting off two diagonally-opposed pins and drilling two larger holes so there is enough "play", but I have to say, I sure would like to have a metal template, too! Elden Gatwood -----Original Message----- From: STMFC@yahoogroups.com [mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Paul Lyons Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2011 12:12 PM To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kadee Bracket Grabs Ben, Bill, I have been using Kadee grab irons on some models for the last few years and there is a downside side--- that is why I said "some" models. The Kadee grab has four attachment pins, which requires four precision located holes if you are going to use them as intended. I know, everyone is going to say "all you have to is make a template". The way these pins are designed with a slope the template has to be DEAD accurate, or the grab will not seat right. Remember these are press fits on Kadee models! This accurate a template is not something that is easy to make unless you have a machine shop. I am actually considering having a special shaped template made for the IMWX/RC/IM boxcar models. The template would be designed to lip over the end and bottom, such that both grab locations were perfectly located and the holes would be dead on Kadee dimensions for drilling. For now I cut off two of the "pins" and use a styrene drill template with oversize holes for some "wiggle room". Not perfect, but it works fairly well. When my stash of Overland grabs run out, I will probably get serious about the template/s needed for the Kadee grabs. Paul Lyons -----Original Message----- From: Benjamin Hom <b.hom@att.net <mailto:b.hom%40att.net> > To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thu, Oct 6, 2011 7:05 am Subject: Re: [STMFC] Kadee Bracket Grabs Bill Welch wrote: "I have not seen any mention of this on our list so I thought I let people know that Kadee now offers their Bracket Grabs as parts. Here are the part number from their website. 2250 Side grab irons-Red Oxide: 16 pieces 2251 Side grab irons-Boxcar Re: 16 pieces 2252 End grab irons-Red Oxide: 4 pair 2253 End grab irons-Boxcar Red: 4 pair 2254 End grab irons-Black: 4 pair" These are most welcome parts, as there really hasn't been any decent aftermarket parts for these to replace clunky or easily-damaged kit parts. I've been making do with salvaging the Detail Associates parts (which are too "wide") by cutting away the "brackets" and replacing the "grab" portion with wire. Ben Hom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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