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SUVCWORR@...
 

Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: bill_d_goat <billdgoat@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Fri, Oct 21, 2011 4:57 pm
Subject: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N


A friend of mine has a GM&N double sheathed (Athearn) boxcar painted lime green
ith a brown door, #20141. I am trying to learn if this is legitimate. It was a
ER Region convention car run by a GM&O modeler, now deceased so I would have
hought it to be accurate.
lso, is the brown color of the new Fox Valley B&O M-53 wagontop boxcars
orrect. I have seen pictures of models painted in a brighter red.
ill Williams

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Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:


Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for which it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post WWII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
approximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the difference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it and than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.

Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine
SUVCWORR@...
 

The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946. These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of 2012.

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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John King
 

Here is a link to a photo in (I think)the University of Indiana collection showing an M-26 in the first 13 great states lettering. In this case, the color is definitely a version of the oxide red.


http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

I have a slide, taken in 1946 at Brunswick, that shows a couple of M-15s in the same lettering but in what appears to be brown paint. I guess it depended on how much old paint was still in the barrel.

John King

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946. These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of 2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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O Fenton Wells
 

Great photo John. This brings up an interesting question for a novice
freight car fan. The picture shows a New Haven boxcar. I was told by
someone that the doors on these cars were painted black. This one is not.
Do I have incorrect info? Any knowledgeable NH fans out there that can set
me straight?
Fenton Wells
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:11 PM, boyds1949 <e27ca@...> wrote:

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Here is a link to a photo in (I think)the University of Indiana collection
showing an M-26 in the first 13 great states lettering. In this case, the
color is definitely a version of the oxide red.

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

I have a slide, taken in 1946 at Brunswick, that shows a couple of M-15s in
the same lettering but in what appears to be brown paint. I guess it
depended on how much old paint was still in the barrel.

John King

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint
schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Randy Hammill
 

Hi, Fenton -

It depends on the era of the photo. The New Haven steel Box Cars were delivered with black doors. When they were shopped the doors were repainted with the body color. I don't recall if all of the steel box cars delivered in the '40s received the black doors, but the majority did.

Note that repainting began by the late '40s, so by 1947-48 you'd be seeing a mix of black doors and oxide red.

I'm not sure I've seen any pictures in the '50s with black doors, but that doesn't mean there weren't any by then. I'd have to dig a bit more for specifics.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Great photo John. This brings up an interesting question for a novice
freight car fan. The picture shows a New Haven boxcar. I was told by
someone that the doors on these cars were painted black. This one is not.
Do I have incorrect info? Any knowledgeable NH fans out there that can set
me straight?
Fenton Wells
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:11 PM, boyds1949 <e27ca@...> wrote:

**


Here is a link to a photo in (I think)the University of Indiana collection
showing an M-26 in the first 13 great states lettering. In this case, the
color is definitely a version of the oxide red.

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

I have a slide, taken in 1946 at Brunswick, that shows a couple of M-15s in
the same lettering but in what appears to be brown paint. I guess it
depended on how much old paint was still in the barrel.

John King

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint
schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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O Fenton Wells
 

Thanks for the nice reply. Sounds like on my North Carolina layout set in
November 1952, I could go either way. If the doors are black however, the
car should be a little more weathered for my era.
Fenton Wells
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 4:03 PM, rhammill <nhrr@...> wrote:

**


Hi, Fenton -

It depends on the era of the photo. The New Haven steel Box Cars were
delivered with black doors. When they were shopped the doors were repainted
with the body color. I don't recall if all of the steel box cars delivered
in the '40s received the black doors, but the majority did.

Note that repainting began by the late '40s, so by 1947-48 you'd be seeing
a mix of black doors and oxide red.

I'm not sure I've seen any pictures in the '50s with black doors, but that
doesn't mean there weren't any by then. I'd have to dig a bit more for
specifics.

Randy Hammill
http://newbritainstation.com
Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954

--- In STMFC@..., O Fenton Wells <srrfan1401@...> wrote:

Great photo John. This brings up an interesting question for a novice
freight car fan. The picture shows a New Haven boxcar. I was told by
someone that the doors on these cars were painted black. This one is not.
Do I have incorrect info? Any knowledgeable NH fans out there that can
set
me straight?
Fenton Wells
On Sat, Oct 22, 2011 at 2:11 PM, boyds1949 <e27ca@...> wrote:

**


Here is a link to a photo in (I think)the University of Indiana
collection
showing an M-26 in the first 13 great states lettering. In this case,
the
color is definitely a version of the oxide red.

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

I have a slide, taken in 1946 at Brunswick, that shows a couple of
M-15s in
the same lettering but in what appears to be brown paint. I guess it
depended on how much old paint was still in the barrel.

John King

--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in
1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint
schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was
adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted
the

ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish
to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Don <riverman_vt@...>
 

Thank you Rich & John,

And the photo is great! One cannot help but notice the difference not only between the B&O M-26 and what appears to be a Dumaine era New Haven repaint but also between the New Haven repaint and the ACL and SP box cars. The SP car appears to have been about the same color tone as the New Haven prior to the effects of weathering, while the ACL car appears that it must have been somewhere between the New Haven and B&O car when freshly painted. Would anyone care to comment on what I surmise here?

Cordially, Don Valentine

--- In STMFC@..., "boyds1949" <e27ca@...> wrote:

Here is a link to a photo in (I think)the University of Indiana collection showing an M-26 in the first 13 great states lettering. In this case, the color is definitely a version of the oxide red.


http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/collections/cushman/full/P06941.jpg

I have a slide, taken in 1946 at Brunswick, that shows a couple of M-15s in the same lettering but in what appears to be brown paint. I guess it depended on how much old paint was still in the barrel.

John King



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946. These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of 2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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vincent altiere
 

Rich,

I'm a bit confused. I've just received a couple of the Fox cars with the 13
Great States herald in brown paint. Do you mean to say that the 13 Great
States herald was ONLY
applied to the "red" cars and NOT the brown?? I thought the Fox Valley
cars were
all correct.

Vince Altiere

In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes
for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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SUVCWORR@...
 

It was applied to both but was the first scheme used on the red cars according to the B&O Historical Society info.

Rich Orr

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From: steel77086 <steel77086@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Mon, Oct 24, 2011 7:28 pm
Subject: Re: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N


Rich,

I'm a bit confused. I've just received a couple of the Fox cars with the 13
Great States herald in brown paint. Do you mean to say that the 13 Great
States herald was ONLY
applied to the "red" cars and NOT the brown?? I thought the Fox Valley
cars were
all correct.

Vince Altiere


In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@... wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes
for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Jim Mischke
 

Vince,


Your brown Fox Valley M-53 in early 13 Great States lettering (1945-46) is accurate, although not crisply documented.

B&O changed to the Linking 13 Great States logo and commercial bright red oxide paint in roughly the same time frame in 1945. Very roughly. Photos suggest that the new stencil drawings were distributed and implemented well before the supply of home brew freight car brown paint was exhausted at every car shop. So one definitely has a choice of color with the earliest 13 Great States scheme. Fox Valley Models was aware of this choice and chose brown.

Indeed, there are some suspiciously dark boxcars found running about in 1950's lettering schemes. Mixing the old freight car brown paint was easy to do, maybe this was done in a pinch. Car shop formen were yelled at worse for missing the daily quota than for violating the current painting and lettering orthodoxy.

The Barkan B&O boxcar lettering scorecard (link below) makes sense out of our once collective choas, yet it does not account for transitions and variations, many found since it was published.


http://borhs.org/Logos/CBarkan/BOBoxcarStenciling1920-60s.pdf





Jim Mischke

--- In STMFC@..., steel77086@... wrote:

Rich,

I'm a bit confused. I've just received a couple of the Fox cars with the 13
Great States herald in brown paint. Do you mean to say that the 13 Great
States herald was ONLY
applied to the "red" cars and NOT the brown?? I thought the Fox Valley
cars were
all correct.

Vince Altiere


In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:


The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.

Rich Orr



-----Original Message-----
From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N



--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes
for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.

The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.

Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine

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Bob McCarthy
 

Good afternoon!

     May have missed something on this thread, but it list GM&N without any discussion of these M-53 as one of their cars.

     did the GM&N purchase some of the M-53's or??

Bob McCarthy

--- On Wed, 10/26/11, jim_mischke <jmischke@...> wrote:

From: jim_mischke <jmischke@...>
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N
To: STMFC@...
Date: Wednesday, October 26, 2011, 6:21 PM
















 













Vince,



Your brown Fox Valley M-53 in early 13 Great States lettering (1945-46) is accurate, although not crisply documented.



B&O changed to the Linking 13 Great States logo and commercial bright red oxide paint in roughly the same time frame in 1945. Very roughly. Photos suggest that the new stencil drawings were distributed and implemented well before the supply of home brew freight car brown paint was exhausted at every car shop. So one definitely has a choice of color with the earliest 13 Great States scheme. Fox Valley Models was aware of this choice and chose brown.



Indeed, there are some suspiciously dark boxcars found running about in 1950's lettering schemes. Mixing the old freight car brown paint was easy to do, maybe this was done in a pinch. Car shop formen were yelled at worse for missing the daily quota than for violating the current painting and lettering orthodoxy.



The Barkan B&O boxcar lettering scorecard (link below) makes sense out of our once collective choas, yet it does not account for transitions and variations, many found since it was published.



http://borhs.org/Logos/CBarkan/BOBoxcarStenciling1920-60s.pdf



Jim Mischke



--- In STMFC@..., steel77086@... wrote:

Rich,
I'm a bit confused. I've just received a couple of the Fox cars with the 13
Great States herald in brown paint. Do you mean to say that the 13 Great
States herald was ONLY
applied to the "red" cars and NOT the brown?? I thought the Fox Valley
cars were
all correct.
Vince Altiere
In a message dated 10/22/2011 12:53:50 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
SUVCWORR@... writes:
The "red" paint began with the 13 great states lettering scheme in 1946.
These cars are in the second run scheduled for release in the Spring of
2012.
Rich Orr
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From: Don <riverman_vt@...>
To: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Sat, Oct 22, 2011 12:07 pm
Subject: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N
--- In STMFC@..., SUVCWORR@ wrote:
Regarding the B&O M-53 -- the brown color is correct for the paint schemes
for
hich it is used Pre WWII and during the war. The red color was adopted
post
WII and is being used by FVM with the appropriate P/L schemes.
The brown cars did run into the 50's until being repainted.
Equally important for those of us modeling the mid to late 1940's
pproximately when was the brighter red first used? I, too, have noted the
ifference and it can add variety to a freight train but I do not wish to
use it
nd than find it did not come into general use until after 1948.
Thanks for any assistance, Don Valentine
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Scott Pitzer
 

Original post had two unrelated questions; the GM&N question (which concerned a "foible" model) quickly fell by the wayside.
Scott Pitzer

McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> wrote:

Good afternoon!

May have missed something on this thread, but it list GM&N without any discussion of these M-53 as one of their cars.

did the GM&N purchase some of the M-53's or??



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john.allyn@...
 

Scott --



I can't find the message regarding the GM&N car in the thread.  I too bought one of these cars way back when.  It was a particularly noxious shade of green -- a shade usually associated with nausea -- and I had my doubts as to its authenticity at the time.   "But it was for a good cause."  Can you point me to where it was discussed.  Interested for its amusement value if nothing else.  Thanks!

John B. Allyn

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To: STMFC@...
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:21:39 PM
Subject: Re: B&O M-53  was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N

 




Original post had two unrelated questions; the GM&N question (which concerned a "foible" model) quickly fell by the wayside.
Scott Pitzer

McCarthy < thesupplycar@... > wrote:

Good afternoon!

May have missed something on this thread, but it list GM&N without any discussion of these M-53 as one of their cars.

did the GM&N purchase some of the M-53's or??


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SUVCWORR@...
 

Message 104031 from October 21, 2011.

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From: john.allyn <john.allyn@...>
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Cc: STMFC <STMFC@...>
Sent: Thu, Oct 27, 2011 9:40 am
Subject: Re: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N






Scott --







I can't find the message regarding the GM&N car in the thread. I too bought one

of these cars way back when. It was a particularly noxious shade of green -- a

shade usually associated with nausea -- and I had my doubts as to its

authenticity at the time. "But it was for a good cause." Can you point me to

where it was discussed. Interested for its amusement value if nothing else.

Thanks!



John B. Allyn

Nashville TN ----- Original Message -----

From: "Scott Pitzer" <scottp459@...>

To: STMFC@...

Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 10:21:39 PM

Subject: Re: B&O M-53 was Re: [STMFC] B&O, GM&N













Original post had two unrelated questions; the GM&N question (which concerned a

"foible" model) quickly fell by the wayside.

Scott Pitzer



McCarthy < thesupplycar@... > wrote:



Good afternoon!
May have missed something on this thread, but it list GM&N without any
discussion of these M-53 as one of their cars.

did the GM&N purchase some of the M-53's or??




















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--- In STMFC@..., john.allyn@... wrote:



Scott --



I can't find the message regarding the GM&N car in the thread.  I too bought one of these cars way back when.  It was a particularly noxious shade of green -- a shade usually associated with nausea -- and I had my doubts as to its authenticity at the time.   "But it was for a good cause."  Can you point me to where it was discussed.  Interested for its amusement value if nothing else.  Thanks!
It was my original post. I bought the green GM&N car at a SER convention in Mobile. it was the convention car, designed by a GM&O modeler, Jim Blanchard, which I thought made it correct. Bill Williams
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