Possible discussion topic for Cocoa beach?


pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers, historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases, regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely to appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like working with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having to deal with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete kits. Both Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is, and the point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating enough income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if there's interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I see this more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than pattern making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience would like to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects, but would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden


ROGER HINMAN
 

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Roger Hinman

On Dec 6, 2011, at 6:18 PM, pullmanboss wrote:

Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers, historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases, regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely to appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like working with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having to deal with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete kits. Both Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is, and the point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating enough income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if there's interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I see this more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than pattern making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience would like to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects, but would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden


Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
 

Tom Madden wrote:
Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?
I think there would be great interest, Tom, and I'm sure there would be plenty of input, too. I would sure vote for including this.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history


Armand Premo
 

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From: pullmanboss
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Possible discussion topic for Cocoa beach?



Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers, historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases, regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely to appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like working with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having to deal with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete kits. Both Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is, and the point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating enough income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if there's interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I see this more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than pattern making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience would like to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects, but would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden


Aley, Jeff A
 

We'll definitely have this as one of the "Panel Discussions" on Saturday night at 10PM. I really appreciate Tom's willingness to share this idea and "get the ball rolling".

Regards,

-Jeff


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Count me in..Armand Premo
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From: pullmanboss
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Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:18 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Possible discussion topic for Cocoa beach?

Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers, historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases, regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely to appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like working with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having to deal with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete kits. Both Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is, and the point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating enough income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if there's interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I see this more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than pattern making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience would like to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects, but would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden


Jared Harper
 

A great idea.

Jared Harper
Athens, GA

--- In STMFC@..., "pullmanboss" <tcmadden@...> wrote:

Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers, historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases, regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely to appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like working with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having to deal with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete kits. Both Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is, and the point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating enough income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if there's interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I see this more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than pattern making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience would like to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects, but would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden


Larry Sexton
 

Tom,



I have been hoping that someone else would indicate an interest in
discussing your potential proposal and Cocoa Beach seems like the best place
for it. I had hoped to get a bit of time with you ay Cocoa Beach to discuss
potential freightcar patterns and castings. I vote for the discussion and
hope to see you there.



Larry Sexton



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pullmanboss
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Possible discussion topic for Cocoa beach?





Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast resin
flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to have
been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me and my
friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there be any
interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this subject (niche
marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from potential
customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers,
historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases,
regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one
check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just
too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely to
appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like working
with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having to deal
with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete kits. Both
Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is, and the
point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating enough
income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid
prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if there's
interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I see this
more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than pattern
making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience would like
to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects, but would be
happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden


O Fenton Wells
 

Tom, I think that would be a good idea, but I'm afraid I may be pushing the
product part. I would love to have resin castings of the key Steam ejector
Air Conditioner parts, sumps, roof hatches and vents and vent covers for
passenger cars done this way. If this is on the agenda I'll attend,
listen and promise I won't get topic pushy.
I'll be in Duluth GA this Sunday taking measurements and photos of SEAC
parts on Southern passenger cars.
Fenton Wells
On Tue, Dec 6, 2011 at 6:18 PM, pullmanboss <tcmadden@q.com> wrote:

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Call it boutique casting, underground marketing or whatever, the cast
resin flat car projects of Chad and Clark, and my roofs and tanks, seem to
have been well received. These projects are more than "just a few for me
and my friends" but well short of what the resin big boys do. Would there
be any interest in a panel discussion, or "open mike" clinic on this
subject (niche marketing of limited quantities with a lot of input from
potential customers) at Cocoa Beach?

To expand a bit, I've been doing OEM resin casting for manufacturers,
historical societies and even individuals for many years, but in all cases,
regardless of quantity, it's one customer, one box, one shipment and one
check. The thought of producing and marketing to the general hobby is just
too daunting. But offering specialty cast parts only to those most likely
to appreciate (or need) them, like members of this list, is more like
working with friends and has a lot of appeal. Also appealing is not having
to deal with the logistics of acquiring and packaging parts for complete
kits. Both Richard and Ted have commented here on what a time sink that is,
and the point, at least for me, is to keep this a hobby while generating
enough income to justify using advanced technologies, like 3D CAD, rapid
prototyping and resin casting using industrial equipment and materials.

Jeff has indicated a slot at Cocoa Beach could be made available if
there's interest, and Bill Welch and Greg Martin have expressed support. I
see this more as a forum on marketing philosophy and logistics rather than
pattern making and resin casting per se, but if that's where the audience
would like to go, that's OK too. Personally, I'm not looking for projects,
but would be happy to share my experiences and thoughts.

Tom Madden




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mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Guys,
I, too, would favor such a panel session. However, I think Friday night at 10PM would be a better time period. Remember, most of us displaying models will be packing up beginning at about 9:30PM and we have the very populated doorprize drawing at 11PM on Sat night to prepare for. Usually by that time I'm about down for the count and my registration team...including Armand Premo...are somewhere asleep. Now, for sure we have had panel sessions at 10PM on Sat but many folks seem to like to attend a session in the bar at that time. So, I think Friday at 10 PM would be better. Anyone have a problem with Friday?

Mike Brock


Bill Welch
 

I think having it on Friday is a good idea. I can imagine this session will generate some discussions and ideas that once people sleep on them, could lead to more discussions on Saturday.

Bill Welch

--- In STMFC@..., "mike brock" <brockm@...> wrote:

Guys,
I, too, would favor such a panel session. However, I think Friday night at
10PM would be a better time period. Remember, most of us displaying models
will be packing up beginning at about 9:30PM and we have the very populated
doorprize drawing at 11PM on Sat night to prepare for. Usually by that time
I'm about down for the count and my registration team...including Armand
Premo...are somewhere asleep. Now, for sure we have had panel sessions at
10PM on Sat but many folks seem to like to attend a session in the bar at
that time. So, I think Friday at 10 PM would be better. Anyone have a
problem with Friday?

Mike Brock


pullmanboss <tcmadden@...>
 

Fenton Wells wrote:

Tom, I think that would be a good idea, but I'm afraid I may be pushing the product part.
[non-steam era freight car content snipped]

There's nothing wrong with advocacy, and certainly, if the audience is actively involved, a good panel will follow the audience's lead. The idea is to at least start the discussion focussed on the _process_ more than on a specific item. A discussion on, for example, how you go about getting a pattern made for a Buckeye boxcar end is going to be more interesting to more people than starting with questions about rivet spacing and sheet metal thickness for that same end. You may get there as the discussion progresses, but you don't want to start there.

A clarification - when I said "a lot of input from potential customers", I wasn't referring to what might happen on Friday night (you da boss, Mike - Friday sounds great) at Cocoa Beach, but to what happened as Clark's & Chad's flat car project developed. It started with the M&StL version, and as members of this list came up with information on other possibilities, we soon had WP and MP versions, flush & overhanging decks, and decal sets from Jerry Glow. On small and interesting projects like this you can implement changes very quickly thanks to the collective knowledge and willingness to share of the members of the STMFC.

Tom Madden


Aley, Jeff A
 

Have you checked w/ the Clinic Chairman?

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of mike brock
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Possible discussion topic for Cocoa beach?



Guys,
I, too, would favor such a panel session. However, I think Friday night at
10PM would be a better time period. Remember, most of us displaying models
will be packing up beginning at about 9:30PM and we have the very populated
doorprize drawing at 11PM on Sat night to prepare for. Usually by that time
I'm about down for the count and my registration team...including Armand
Premo...are somewhere asleep. Now, for sure we have had panel sessions at
10PM on Sat but many folks seem to like to attend a session in the bar at
that time. So, I think Friday at 10 PM would be better. Anyone have a
problem with Friday?

Mike Brock


mike brock <brockm@...>
 

Jeff, The Clinic Chair? You're lucky I can remember his name. Incidentally, what is the Webber panel discussion about?

I should point out that I have little interest in determining what panel discussion we choose to do with the exception that I am sensitive to the subject generating any animosity. As I mentioned in my previous post, Al Westerfield was quite sensitive to the subject of resin car selection. It happened way back in the first Prototype Rails so I don't recall the reason. There were some conflicts during that meet.

Mike

Have you checked w/ the Clinic Chairman?

-Jeff


From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of mike brock
Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 6:34 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Possible discussion topic for Cocoa beach?



Guys,
I, too, would favor such a panel session. However, I think Friday night at
10PM would be a better time period. Remember, most of us displaying models
will be packing up beginning at about 9:30PM and we have the very populated
doorprize drawing at 11PM on Sat night to prepare for. Usually by that time
I'm about down for the count and my registration team...including Armand
Premo...are somewhere asleep. Now, for sure we have had panel sessions at
10PM on Sat but many folks seem to like to attend a session in the bar at
that time. So, I think Friday at 10 PM would be better. Anyone have a
problem with Friday?

Mike Brock






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