Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks


brianleppert@att.net
 

Does Bowser still make their 2D-F8 trucks? These were included in Bowser's 70-ton covered hopper kit I bought 14 years ago, and the instruction sheet called them out as part #74277. Bowser now describes #74277 as an AAR 70-ton truck.

Is #74277 still the 2D-F8 truck, just mislabeled by Bowser?

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV


John Hile
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brian" <brianleppert@...> wrote:

Does Bowser still make their 2D-F8 trucks? These were included in Bowser's 70-ton covered hopper kit I bought 14 years ago, and the instruction sheet called them out as part #74277. Bowser now describes #74277 as an AAR 70-ton truck.

Is #74277 still the 2D-F8 truck, just mislabeled by Bowser?











Several years ago (2007 to be exact) I was told by Lee English (via email) that the 74277 trucks are the ones that resemble a 70t ASF A-3 - the former Stewart Models truck. But I can't really trust that info...I was never sure he understood what truck I was trying to describe. I referred to it as the former Stewart Models truck, and he told me they didn't have the old Stewart truck. But, when I referenced a specific model shown on their web site with that truck (PRR G39a ore jenny 691-10674) he replied that was the 74277. This is clearly the former Stewart Models truck, packaged with all of my ATSF triple hoppers.

They are listed as in-stock here if you want to take a chance:

http://www.bowserorders.com/.sc/ms/cat/HO%20Bowser%20Parts/25


John Hile


devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "john66h" <john66h@...> wrote:

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "brian" <brianleppert@> wrote:

Does Bowser still make their 2D-F8 trucks? These were included in Bowser's 70-ton covered hopper kit I bought 14 years ago, and the instruction sheet called them out as part #74277. Bowser now describes #74277 as an AAR 70-ton truck.

Is #74277 still the 2D-F8 truck, just mislabeled by Bowser?

Several years ago (2007 to be exact) I was told by Lee English (via email) that the 74277 trucks are the ones that resemble a 70t ASF A-3 - the former Stewart Models truck. But I can't really trust that info...I was never sure he understood what truck I was trying to describe. I referred to it as the former Stewart Models truck, and he told me they didn't have the old Stewart truck. But, when I referenced a specific model shown on their web site with that truck (PRR G39a ore jenny 691-10674) he replied that was the 74277. This is clearly the former Stewart Models truck, packaged with all of my ATSF triple hoppers.

They are listed as in-stock here if you want to take a chance:

http://www.bowserorders.com/.sc/ms/cat/HO%20Bowser%20Parts/25


John Hile
Gentlemen,

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?

The stewart truck part number 279 is shown under both the G39 and the 70 ton hopper. The Bowser web site also lists the Stewart parts, and 279 is described as a 70 Ton roller bearing truck, but the picture shown is a plain bearing truck.

I think Lee may have lost configuration control of his web site....

Anyone have a secret decoder ring for Bowser truck part numbers?

Dave Evans


Bruce Smith
 

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Dave Evans wrote:

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?
NO!!! The The PRR "Crown" truck is a completely different truck, class 2E-F2 Nothing at all like the 2D-F8 truck!
2E-F2 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2E-F2-47377.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=
2D-F8 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D-F8-E89597.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=

Regards
Bruce

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devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

On Jan 20, 2012, at 7:45 AM, Dave Evans wrote:

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?
NO!!! The The PRR "Crown" truck is a completely different truck, class 2E-F2 Nothing at all like the 2D-F8 truck!
2E-F2 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2E-F2-47377.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=
2D-F8 http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=2D-F8-E89597.gif&sel=ftk&sz=sm&fr=

Regards
Bruce
Thanks Bruce,

So has Bowser ever made the 2D-F8 truck?

Dave Evans


SUVCWORR@...
 

The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck class 2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus the journal size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These were used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and 2E-F22f

Rich Orr

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Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 8:45 am
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Gentlemen,

Recommend you browse the Bowser web site for instruction sheets. The sheet for
H21/H22 lists part number 74090 as a "crown" truck. 74091 is for a pair with
wheels. I think this is the 2D-F8?

The stewart truck part number 279 is shown under both the G39 and the 70 ton
hopper. The Bowser web site also lists the Stewart parts, and 279 is described
as a 70 Ton roller bearing truck, but the picture shown is a plain bearing
truck.

I think Lee may have lost configuration control of his web site....

Anyone have a secret decoder ring for Bowser truck part numbers?

Dave Evans



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brianleppert@att.net
 

Martin Lofton wrote a six page article on PRR 2D-F8 freight trucks in the June 1993 issue of Model RailroadING magazine. In it you can learn that the the Red Caboose truck is actually an ARA Type Y truck, PRR class 2D-F4.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.


Rich Orr


Bruce Smith
 

Thanks Bruce,

So has Bowser ever made the 2D-F8 truck?

Dave Evans
Dave, Folks,

Bowser has indeed made this truck as it is used under the GLa hopper, IIRC.

Bowser HO scale trucks are as follows:
2D-F8 - standard PRR freight truck and close to AR type Y, part number? used on GLa
2D-F12 - coil elliptical truck, part number 74189(truck frame), 74190(pair), used on X31, F30A (incorrect)
2E-F2 - Crown Truck, part number 74090 (truck frame), 74091(Pair), used on H21, H22
2A-F5 - Single coil cabin car truck, part number 74012(truck frame), 74013 (pair), used on N5, N5c


Regards
Bruce

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SUVCWORR@...
 

In that case the RC truck was only used under X28a and X29 class cars,

Rich Orr

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From: brian <brianleppert@att.net>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Fri, Jan 20, 2012 11:32 am
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks




Martin Lofton wrote a six page article on PRR 2D-F8 freight trucks in the June
1993 issue of Model RailroadING magazine. In it you can learn that the the Red
Caboose truck is actually an ARA Type Y truck, PRR class 2D-F4.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee
part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21
cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa,
GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24,
X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.


Rich Orr



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mt19a <LarrynLynnHanlon@...>
 

Folks,

the 2D-F8 truck was included with GLa, F30, and GS kits I ordered for "mobile scenery" in Q4 2010. I just checked, and in each case it is identified on the included drawing as part # 74277 (pair of trucks) and 74286 (frame only).

On Bowser's price list currently on their web site, these numbers are identified as "AAR 70 ton truck", obviously a mismatch. I would tend to trust the number, but ... surprises are always possible.

Larry Hanlon.
Bend, OR

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bruce Smith <smithbf@...> wrote:

Thanks Bruce,

So has Bowser ever made the 2D-F8 truck?

Dave Evans
Dave, Folks,

Bowser has indeed made this truck as it is used under the GLa hopper, IIRC.

Bowser HO scale trucks are as follows:
2D-F8 - standard PRR freight truck and close to AR type Y, part number? used on GLa
2D-F12 - coil elliptical truck, part number 74189(truck frame), 74190(pair), used on X31, F30A (incorrect)
2E-F2 - Crown Truck, part number 74090 (truck frame), 74091(Pair), used on H21, H22
2A-F5 - Single coil cabin car truck, part number 74012(truck frame), 74013 (pair), used on N5, N5c


Regards
Bruce

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robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Rich,

Is there a truck available to be used under the H-30/H-30a class covered hoppers.

Regards,

Robert Bogie

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The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck class 2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus the journal size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These were used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and 2E-F22f

Rich Orr


Bruce Smith
 

Robert,

Scale?

The H30 and H30A used a variety of trucks including the 2E-F2 "Crown".
See
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=H30
for numbers corresponding to various trucks. You can certainly use the
Bowser "Crown" for some H30 and H30A models. Other 70 ton truck styles
are less commonly available, but I think there might be one or two that
would also work.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

"Robert Bogie" <robertb@smartchat.net.au> 01/21/12 4:47 PM >>>
Rich,

Is there a truck available to be used under the H-30/H-30a class covered
hoppers.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks




The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck
class 2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus
the journal size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009,
Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22
but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe,
GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa,
XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a,
X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These
were used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and
2E-F22f

Rich Orr








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robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Sorry, I forgot the scale. It is in HO. I want to replace the trucks on a couple of Oriental H-30 models.

Regards,

Robert Bogie

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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks



Robert,

Scale?

The H30 and H30A used a variety of trucks including the 2E-F2 "Crown".
See
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/classpage.html?class=H30
for numbers corresponding to various trucks. You can certainly use the
Bowser "Crown" for some H30 and H30A models. Other 70 ton truck styles
are less commonly available, but I think there might be one or two that
would also work.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL

>>> "Robert Bogie" <robertb@smartchat.net.au> 01/21/12 4:47 PM >>>
Rich,

Is there a truck available to be used under the H-30/H-30a class covered
hoppers.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks

The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck
class 2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus
the journal size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009,
Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22
but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe,
GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa,
XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a,
X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These
were used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and
2E-F22f

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SUVCWORR@...
 

The H30 rode on a multitude of trucks:

2E-F2 Bowser Crown
2E-F2a different spring package
2E-F10 dbl truss
2E-F11 National
2E-F12 Young
2E-F13 dbl truss
2E-F14 National
2E-F15 Young
2E-F22 ASF A-3
2E-F22a ASF A-3

The difference between the classes of the same type are one or more of spring packages, brakes and bolster.

The H30a all rode on 2E-F22a ASF A-3 70 ton trucks.

The Tangent ASF A-3 truck should be close as the G31b rode on a variation of this truck.

So you have two options for the H30 the Bowser Crown truck or the Tangent ASF A-3 Note the National referred to in these classes is not the same as the National B-1 which was PRR truck class 2E-F23 nor the National C-1 which was2E-F25/b/c.

For the H30a the Tangent ASF A-3 should work

Rich Orr

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Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:47 pm
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Rich,

Is there a truck available to be used under the H-30/H-30a class covered
hoppers.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks




The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck class
2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus the journal
size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee
part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21
cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa,
GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24,
X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These were
used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and 2E-F22f

Rich Orr








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devansprr
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck class 2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus the journal size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21 cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa, GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24, X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These were used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and 2E-F22f

Rich Orr
Rich,

Many thanks for the information. I would like to complete an assessment of Bowser/Stewart trucks. Is there a cross reference anywhere of Bowser trucks to prototype trucks?

It would be helpful to determine if the following represent a valid PRR truck, or at least a close stand-in lacking any other source. I am focused on WWII, so many of the trucks discussed on this list are after my period of interest.

Bowser lists truck 74325/6 as a 50-ton archbar truck - is this a match to a PRR truck?

Bowser also sells the following Stewart parts:

691-279 70t roller bearing truck
690-280 70t friction bearing truck - the Stewart 70t hopper parts drawing makes it appear that these two trucks are identical, except for the bearings.

691-293 truck used on 55t hopper

I do not think the Stewart trucks are intended to represent PRR trucks, but are they representative of other WWII era trucks?

Many thanks in advance for any help,

Dave Evans


brianleppert@att.net
 

Rich,

If you compare the Tangent ASF A-3 70-ton truck with Tahoe Model Works' truck, I'm sure you will find the Tahoe truck to be noticably better. I did put in a LOT of effort on that truck's tooling.

Anyone who would like a flyer for TMW's A-3 70-ton truck, please contact me OFF-LIST at

brianleppert@att.net

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The H30a all rode on 2E-F22a ASF A-3 70 ton trucks.

The Tangent ASF A-3 truck should be close as the G31b rode on a variation of this truck.

So you have two options for the H30 the Bowser Crown truck or the Tangent ASF A-3 Note the National referred to in these classes is not the same as the National B-1 which was PRR truck class 2E-F23 nor the National C-1 which was2E-F25/b/c.

For the H30a the Tangent ASF A-3 should work

Rich Orr


SUVCWORR@...
 

Brian,

No offense intended. Please correct me if I am wrong. I was under the impression that the 70 T ASF A-3 truck you did was sideframe V7808 with spring package CH905 and positive type brake beams (PRR class 2E-F2) while the Tangent truck is sideframe V 11902 with CH856 spring package and unit brake beams (PRR class 2EFf22c/d/e/f/g/h. Both types are useful for PRR cars but different classes of cars. If the sideframe, spring packages etc are PRR terminology, I apologize.

Your model is a better, crisper rendering.

Rich Orr

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Sent: Sun, Jan 22, 2012 5:14 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks


Rich,

If you compare the Tangent ASF A-3 70-ton truck with Tahoe Model Works' truck,
I'm sure you will find the Tahoe truck to be noticably better. I did put in a
LOT of effort on that truck's tooling.

Anyone who would like a flyer for TMW's A-3 70-ton truck, please contact me
OFF-LIST at

brianleppert@att.net

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:


The H30a all rode on 2E-F22a ASF A-3 70 ton trucks.

The Tangent ASF A-3 truck should be close as the G31b rode on a variation of
this truck.

So you have two options for the H30 the Bowser Crown truck or the Tangent ASF
A-3 Note the National referred to in these classes is not the same as the
National B-1 which was PRR truck class 2E-F23 nor the National C-1 which
was2E-F25/b/c.

For the H30a the Tangent ASF A-3 should work

Rich Orr



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robertb@smartchat.net.au
 

Rich,

Thanks so much for this info, it was excellent.

Regards,

Robert Bogie

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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2012 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks




The H30 rode on a multitude of trucks:

2E-F2 Bowser Crown
2E-F2a different spring package
2E-F10 dbl truss
2E-F11 National
2E-F12 Young
2E-F13 dbl truss
2E-F14 National
2E-F15 Young
2E-F22 ASF A-3
2E-F22a ASF A-3

The difference between the classes of the same type are one or more of spring packages, brakes and bolster.

The H30a all rode on 2E-F22a ASF A-3 70 ton trucks.

The Tangent ASF A-3 truck should be close as the G31b rode on a variation of this truck.

So you have two options for the H30 the Bowser Crown truck or the Tangent ASF A-3 Note the National referred to in these classes is not the same as the National B-1 which was PRR truck class 2E-F23 nor the National C-1 which was2E-F25/b/c.

For the H30a the Tangent ASF A-3 should work

Rich Orr

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Bogie <robertb@smartchat.net.au>
To: STMFC <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Sat, Jan 21, 2012 5:47 pm
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks

Rich,

Is there a truck available to be used under the H-30/H-30a class covered
hoppers.

Regards,

Robert Bogie
----- Original Message -----
From: SUVCWORR@aol.com
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2012 3:19 AM
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Bowser PRR 2D-F8 trucks

The PRR "Crown" truck used on the Bowser H22 is part 74091 and truck class
2D-F2 (50 ton) and on the H21a 2E-F2 and 2E-F2a (70 ton truck thus the journal
size E).

The 2D-F8 is a 50 ton truck. Bowser part 74277, Red Caboose part 5009, Kadee
part 517 and Sunshine part TM7. This truck was used under some H22 but no H21
cars. These trucks were used under FM, GLa, GLb, GLc, GLe, GLf, GLg, GP, GPa,
GR, GRa, GS, GSa, GSc, GSd, H22, K7, K8, U6, XL, XLa, XLc, X23, X23a, X23b, X24,
X25, X25a, X25b, X25c, X25d, X28a, X29, X29a, X30 class cars.

The ASF-3 50 ton truck was PRR classes 2D-F25, 2D-F26, 2D-F26a. These were
used under X38, X40, X40a, X40b, X41, X41a and X41b class cars.

The ASF-3 70 ton truck was PRR classes 2E-F22, 2E-F22a, 2E-F22b and 2E-F22f

Rich Orr



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--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, "Dave Evans" <devans1@...> wrote:
All,

Sorry to answer part of my own post, but Jerry Britton's Keystone Crossings does list PRR freight trucks and applicable classes:

http://kc.pennsyrr.com/model/trucksho.php

So the Bowser truck 74325/6 50-ton archbar truck looks to match the PRR 2D-F1 truck.

Any comments on the following Stewart trucks and what they represent?

691-279 70t roller bearing truck

690-280 70t friction bearing truck - the Stewart 70t hopper parts drawing makes it appear that these two trucks are identical, except for the bearings.

691-293 truck used on 55t hopper

Dave Evans


brianleppert@att.net
 

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, SUVCWORR@... wrote:

Brian,

No offense intended. Please correct me if I am wrong. I was under the impression that the 70 T ASF A-3 truck you did was sideframe V7808 with spring package CH905 and positive type brake beams (PRR class 2E-F2) while the Tangent truck is sideframe V 11902 with CH856 spring package and unit brake beams (PRR class 2EFf22c/d/e/f/g/h. Both types are useful for PRR cars but different classes of cars. If the sideframe, spring packages etc are PRR terminology, I apologize.

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Rich Orr
Rich, I will correct you because you are wrong. You said my 70-ton A-3 is a PRR class 2E-F2 with side frame pattern # V7808.

The 2E-F2 and that side frame pattern is a Crown truck, similar to an Andrews truck, nothing like the ASF design. The Tahoe truck certainly is in PRR's 2E-F22 family.

Brian Leppert
Tahoe Model Works
Carson City, NV