C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola


Paul Hillman
 

I just posted 5 photos to the photo album;

Haskell & Barker Wood Side-Dump Gondola

These show my continuing progress on this famous car.

It has been a lot of work getting to this point. I had to make a master of the coupler striker-plate, cast it in a rubber mold, then resin-cast the parts. The one picture shows the mold, etc. There was no such suitable part available from a model company. Took a long time to make it. (2 attempts at making the master because the first one breaking after construction. Very delicate structure.)

I also had to scratchbuild each large, rectangular truss-rod, end-beam washer, and the brake ratchet-handle assembly with chain to the brake cylinder.

Still have a lot of work to do on the side dump-door rods and mechanism.

I'm intending on building 3 or more of these cars. The initial work, casting and planning will make it easier for completing the others.

This car has been very labor intensive, starting with an F&C model. Back in 1906 these composite cars sure took a lot of original parts.

Paul Hillman


chapbob@...
 

Paul --

I'm not sure how famous the prototype is, but your model is definitely
headed that way. Great modeling!

Bob Chapman



Paul Hillman writes:

I just posted 5 photos to the photo album;

Haskell & Barker Wood Side-Dump Gondola

These show my continuing progress on this famous car.

It has been a lot of work getting to this point. I had to make a master of
the coupler striker-plate, cast it in a rubber mold, then resin-cast the
parts. The one picture shows the mold, etc. There was no such suitable part
available from a model company. Took a long time to make it. (2 attempts at
making the master because the first one breaking after construction. Very
delicate structure.)

I also had to scratchbuild each large, rectangular truss-rod, end-beam
washer, and the brake ratchet-handle assembly with chain to the brake cylinder.

Still have a lot of work to do on the side dump-door rods and mechanism.

I'm intending on building 3 or more of these cars. The initial work,
casting and planning will make it easier for completing the others.

This car has been very labor intensive, starting with an F&C model. Back
in 1906 these composite cars sure took a lot of original parts.

Paul Hillman


michaelegross <michaelEGross@...>
 

Lovely work overall, and that coupler striker plate is a gem!

Cheers!

Michael Gross

On Feb 28, 2012, at 6:47 PM, Bernice wrote:

I just posted 5 photos to the photo album;

Haskell & Barker Wood Side-Dump Gondola

These show my continuing progress on this famous car.

It has been a lot of work getting to this point. I had to make a master of the coupler striker-plate, cast it in a rubber mold, then resin-cast the parts. The one picture shows the mold, etc. There was no such suitable part available from a model company. Took a long time to make it. (2 attempts at making the master because the first one breaking after construction. Very delicate structure.)

I also had to scratchbuild each large, rectangular truss-rod, end-beam washer, and the brake ratchet-handle assembly with chain to the brake cylinder.

Still have a lot of work to do on the side dump-door rods and mechanism.

I'm intending on building 3 or more of these cars. The initial work, casting and planning will make it easier for completing the others.

This car has been very labor intensive, starting with an F&C model. Back in 1906 these composite cars sure took a lot of original parts.

Paul Hillman



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Greg Rich
 

Paul,
Very nice work! What time-frame does this car fit into? I assume the model is HO? Is the model made from Basswood, brass or styrene or all? Did you add any weight to enhance the cars tracking?
Sorry for so many questions, when I see such an obviously well done model, I like to pick up any pointers I can.

Regards,
Greg Rich


Paul Hillman
 

Thanks for the kind words.

These cars were built starting around 1906 for the C&WI (I think). At one time they had 600 gondolas on their roster. I don't know when they were finally retired, maybe in the 1970's. They were in use in the 1960's. I saw them personally in the early '60's and they appear in several photos of Dearborn Station and elsewhere in the '60's. So, they fit into the entire STMFC timeline covered.

I'm modeling the Chicago area in 1950, including the C&WI Dearborn Station. For me these cars are a must-have, and I've been wanting to build them for about 50 years. Grew up in Chicago along the C&WI mainline to Dolton, Ill.

The HO model started with a Funaro & Camerlengo resin kit based on a Rutland RR car. Basswood was used for the ends and end-beams, styrene for straps, I-beams and other parts, and Archer rivets.

The basic car is very light. I cast low-temp, car-weighting material, metal bars, and glued them between the 2 frame center-beams. I made a wooden form to the dimensions of between the center-beams, cut the low-temp into pieces, then melted it with a soldering iron to melt and flow-into the wood-form. It still needs some more weight but there's not much room except at the 4 underframe corners, without terribly mutating the underbody appearance.

On another list, one member said that the (probably) last remaining C&WI survivor of this car, at the Illinois RR Museum, which was is poor shape, had finally fallen apart during a recent severe wind storm. If I were a rich man, I would offer to buy the remaining car and all of it's metal parts, and rebuild it. All it would take is a bunch of wood and work, and maybe would be easier than building this model under a microscope. (Magnifiers for all us old geezers???)

Paul Hillman

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To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola





Paul,
Very nice work! What time-frame does this car fit into? I assume the model is HO? Is the model made from Basswood, brass or styrene or all? Did you add any weight to enhance the cars tracking?
Sorry for so many questions, when I see such an obviously well done model, I like to pick up any pointers I can.

Regards,
Greg Rich


Bob McCarthy
 

Paul,

     Could you share an image or two with me off line?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Thu, 3/1/12, Paul Hillman <chris_hillman@msn.com> wrote:

From: Paul Hillman <chris_hillman@msn.com>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 3:32 AM
















 









Thanks for the kind words.



These cars were built starting around 1906 for the C&WI (I think). At one time they had 600 gondolas on their roster. I don't know when they were finally retired, maybe in the 1970's. They were in use in the 1960's. I saw them personally in the early '60's and they appear in several photos of Dearborn Station and elsewhere in the '60's. So, they fit into the entire STMFC timeline covered.



I'm modeling the Chicago area in 1950, including the C&WI Dearborn Station. For me these cars are a must-have, and I've been wanting to build them for about 50 years. Grew up in Chicago along the C&WI mainline to Dolton, Ill.



The HO model started with a Funaro & Camerlengo resin kit based on a Rutland RR car. Basswood was used for the ends and end-beams, styrene for straps, I-beams and other parts, and Archer rivets.



The basic car is very light. I cast low-temp, car-weighting material, metal bars, and glued them between the 2 frame center-beams. I made a wooden form to the dimensions of between the center-beams, cut the low-temp into pieces, then melted it with a soldering iron to melt and flow-into the wood-form. It still needs some more weight but there's not much room except at the 4 underframe corners, without terribly mutating the underbody appearance.



On another list, one member said that the (probably) last remaining C&WI survivor of this car, at the Illinois RR Museum, which was is poor shape, had finally fallen apart during a recent severe wind storm. If I were a rich man, I would offer to buy the remaining car and all of it's metal parts, and rebuild it. All it would take is a bunch of wood and work, and maybe would be easier than building this model under a microscope. (Magnifiers for all us old geezers???)



Paul Hillman



----- Original Message -----

From: wheelknocker<mailto:steamers01@sbcglobal.net>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:06 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola



Paul,

Very nice work! What time-frame does this car fit into? I assume the model is HO? Is the model made from Basswood, brass or styrene or all? Did you add any weight to enhance the cars tracking?

Sorry for so many questions, when I see such an obviously well done model, I like to pick up any pointers I can.



Regards,

Greg Rich































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tedander2000
 

For those accurate dimensions and super detailing, keep the IRM Pullman Library in mind. It took us 8 months with the help of Dennis Storzak to get the fragmenting H&B drawings from tubes onto stable backing and organized into flat files. Your orders for one, two or more drawings copies will allow us to continue restoring more items in the vast collection. We may have drawings on the gondolla including the general drawing. Dennis if you are watching, all the freight correspondence files are racked in the new storage facility and we can start looking up freight car lot numbers per requests, transferring the lot files to archival file boxes as we look up the given numbers.
Ted Anderson, Pullman Library curator <pullmanlibrary@irm.org>

--- In STMFC@yahoogroups.com, Bob McCarthy <thesupplycar@...> wrote:

Paul,

     Could you share an image or two with me off line?

Thanks,

Bob McCarthy

--- On Thu, 3/1/12, Paul Hillman <chris_hillman@...> wrote:

From: Paul Hillman <chris_hillman@...>
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Thursday, March 1, 2012, 3:32 AM
















 









Thanks for the kind words.



These cars were built starting around 1906 for the C&WI (I think). At one time they had 600 gondolas on their roster. I don't know when they were finally retired, maybe in the 1970's. They were in use in the 1960's. I saw them personally in the early '60's and they appear in several photos of Dearborn Station and elsewhere in the '60's. So, they fit into the entire STMFC timeline covered.



I'm modeling the Chicago area in 1950, including the C&WI Dearborn Station. For me these cars are a must-have, and I've been wanting to build them for about 50 years. Grew up in Chicago along the C&WI mainline to Dolton, Ill.



The HO model started with a Funaro & Camerlengo resin kit based on a Rutland RR car. Basswood was used for the ends and end-beams, styrene for straps, I-beams and other parts, and Archer rivets.



The basic car is very light. I cast low-temp, car-weighting material, metal bars, and glued them between the 2 frame center-beams. I made a wooden form to the dimensions of between the center-beams, cut the low-temp into pieces, then melted it with a soldering iron to melt and flow-into the wood-form. It still needs some more weight but there's not much room except at the 4 underframe corners, without terribly mutating the underbody appearance.



On another list, one member said that the (probably) last remaining C&WI survivor of this car, at the Illinois RR Museum, which was is poor shape, had finally fallen apart during a recent severe wind storm. If I were a rich man, I would offer to buy the remaining car and all of it's metal parts, and rebuild it. All it would take is a bunch of wood and work, and maybe would be easier than building this model under a microscope. (Magnifiers for all us old geezers???)



Paul Hillman



----- Original Message -----

From: wheelknocker<mailto:steamers01@...>

To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com<mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com>

Sent: Wednesday, February 29, 2012 6:06 PM

Subject: [STMFC] Re: C&WI Haskell & Barker Gondola



Paul,

Very nice work! What time-frame does this car fit into? I assume the model is HO? Is the model made from Basswood, brass or styrene or all? Did you add any weight to enhance the cars tracking?

Sorry for so many questions, when I see such an obviously well done model, I like to pick up any pointers I can.



Regards,

Greg Rich































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