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That pesky Sunshine #57.2 Illinois Central boxcar kit-big problem
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Bill Welch
After asking for help understanding the "AB" brake arrangement on
these 176000 series cars and getting help from a couple of you, then finding an overlooked photo of #16704 (re-numbered by 1959) from Richard Burg showing the reservoir and AB valve located on the same side opposite the cylinder I was breezing along just fine. As I was contemplating the brake rods and the heavy trapezoid shaped cross ties, I happened to dry fit the u/f into the superstructure to double- check something when I noticed that the truck bolsters did not line up under the outer most vertical braces. UGH!! Checking the model photo included on the instructions they are off too. I have not measured the exact misalignment yet but each bolster is about 9-12 scale inches too near the ends of the car. UGH!! I am not in the mood right now to cut apart and reassemble the u/f so I am going to put the thing back in the box until I am in a better mood. I did want to make sure others were alerted however. Bill Welch 2225 Nursery Road; #20-104 Clearwater, FL 33764-7622 727.470.9930 fgexbill@... |
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william darnaby
Hi Bill,
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Your comments caused me to hunt around on the layout for my car, built long ago, to check the alignment of the bolsters and crossbearers. Indeed, the bolsters do not even come close to lining up with the vertical braces but, sticking my neck out here, are you sure that they are supposed to? The bolsters and crossbearers do line up nicely with riveted reinforcing plates on the side sill. Also, moving them back to line up with the verticals would yield a bolster to striker distance of 6'6'' or tuck the striker plate under the car end and losing cast top plate detail of the draft gear. Neither of these two results seems correct. Bill Darnaby -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Bill Welch Sent: Saturday, March 03, 2012 11:30 AM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] That pesky Sunshine #57.2 Illinois Central boxcar kit-big problem After asking for help understanding the "AB" brake arrangement on these 176000 series cars and getting help from a couple of you, then finding an overlooked photo of #16704 (re-numbered by 1959) from Richard Burg showing the reservoir and AB valve located on the same side opposite the cylinder I was breezing along just fine. As I was contemplating the brake rods and the heavy trapezoid shaped cross ties, I happened to dry fit the u/f into the superstructure to double- check something when I noticed that the truck bolsters did not line up under the outer most vertical braces. UGH!! Checking the model photo included on the instructions they are off too. I have not measured the exact misalignment yet but each bolster is about 9-12 scale inches too near the ends of the car. UGH!! I am not in the mood right now to cut apart and reassemble the u/f so I am going to put the thing back in the box until I am in a better mood. I did want to make sure others were alerted however. Bill Welch 2225 Nursery Road; #20-104 Clearwater, FL 33764-7622 727.470.9930 fgexbill@... ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Bill Welch
Bill:
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When Ed Hawkins alerted me that there was a photo of one of these cars available from Richard Burg, I rechecked my photo album w/IC cars and sure enough I had it. It is a photo that is pretty much a dead-on side view. Drawing an imaginary line down the vertical post the line goes right between the two outer truck springs. One of the reasons I put it back in the box was to cogitate on "Did I really want to throw off the whole geometry of the car?" since I could see the trucks were going to be further from the ends. Still trying to figure out what is the lesser of two... I am not enthusiastic about either choice. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., "William Darnaby" <wdarnaby@...> wrote:
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william darnaby
Hi Bill,
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I don't have the advantage of a straight on side view. However, the two shots in the PDF clearly show the end edge of the bolster plate and this plate is definitely not centered on the vertical brace. Having said that, it is also not as far forward of the brace as the model and should probably overlap the brace by about half the width of the brace. My guess, and it's only that, is that the layout of the side bracing is a little off as the length over strikers is correct and have the correct 5'6" spacing to the bolsters. Bottom line, IMHO, the relation of the bolster plate to the vertical brace appears to be off by 3 to 6 inches. I have been enjoying the car on my layout for a long time now and have never noticed. YMMV. Bill Darnaby -----Original Message-----
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of lnbill Sent: Monday, March 05, 2012 5:41 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: That pesky Sunshine #57.2 Illinois Central boxcar kit-big problem Bill: When Ed Hawkins alerted me that there was a photo of one of these cars available from Richard Burg, I rechecked my photo album w/IC cars and sure enough I had it. It is a photo that is pretty much a dead-on side view. Drawing an imaginary line down the vertical post the line goes right between the two outer truck springs. One of the reasons I put it back in the box was to cogitate on "Did I really want to throw off the whole geometry of the car?" since I could see the trucks were going to be further from the ends. Still trying to figure out what is the lesser of two... I am not enthusiastic about either choice. Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., "William Darnaby" <wdarnaby@...> wrote: cast top plate detail of the draft gear. Neither of these two results seems correct.most vertical braces. UGH!!
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Bill Welch
I hear you Bill. I may go with just enjoying finishing it and move on.
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Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., "William Darnaby" <wdarnaby@...> wrote:
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Ryan Reed
I hear you Bill. I may go with just enjoying finishing it and move on.When the car is done, if you're not happy with it you can always ebay it for $100+ (or more) and start over. I've gone that route myself a few times. Ryan Reed |
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