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Richard Hendrickson
On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:58 PM, rreed_eagle wrote:
That SP&S engine was on it's way back from Livingston, MT after aThat may be a guess, Ryan, but it's obviously an educated guess, and I'm inclined to think you are right. The car wasn't an NP car; the NP's high running board cars that came from PSC in 1912 had stub side sills from the bolsters to the end sills, AC&F style, which the car in the photo does not have. In any case, there seems to be general agreement that the car was in company service supplying fuel for the oil-burning locomotive, which had to cover a lot of coal-burning territory to get it from Livingston to the first source of fuel oil at Spokane, rather than being in revenue service. Richard Hendrickson |
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Ryan Reed
...photo was taken in Paradise, MT. on the Northern Pacific, 100s of miles from That SP&S engine was on it's way back from Livingston, MT after a major overhaul in the NP shops. Looking at a larger printed image of the same picture, there appears to be large numbers on the right side of that auxiliary tank car. It looks like 159, maybe 150. The weathering is probably covering up the rest, it's hard to tell. That number placement is not consistant with either SP&S or NP company service tank cars, however, it is absolutely consistant with GN company service tank cars. I'm throwning out a guess here, but I don't think it's out of the question for the GN to have loaned the SP&S one of their auxiliary tank cars (a road that burned oil as well and half-owned the SP&S) when the NP couldn't and needed to get that SP&S oil burner from Livingston to Spokane with no oil facilities along the way. Ryan Reed |
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Funny thing is, not knowing a thing about SP&S vs NP, or SP or UP or Buford or wherever, when I looked at the photo I thought NP <G>. I had noticed the spillage around the dome and one reason I suggested company service was the potential that it could be an auxiliary tender (water or oil) a suggestion that has been made in another post.
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It certainly is possible that this car is in revenue service and then, of course, would likely be privately owned. By the 1944 date, there were more cars being freed up by pipeline construction, and of course there were always cars going left during the war, albeit in numbers vastly dwarfed by the rightward movement of crude. Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 On Mar 15, 2012, at 12:42 PM, Andy Carlson wrote:
I would not give too much weight to the SP&S 4-8-4 suggesting a possible SP&S tankcar (though the SP&S did roster some MoW high walkway tank cars), as the photo was taken in Paradise, MT. on the Northern Pacific, 100s of miles from Spokane, WA., the farthest East the SP&S ran. How it was on the NP, I have not a clue. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...<mailto:rhendrickson@...>> To: STMFC@...<mailto:STMFC@...> Sent: Thu, March 15, 2012 10:31:14 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Id On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Bruce F. Smith wrote: High walkway is obvious as is the narrow center sill. Potentially an AC&F type 7, most likely in company service (trying to remember if SP&S had any) Not a bad guess, Bruce, but apparently wrong, as the car in the (not very clear) image lacks AC&F style stub sills between the bolsters and the end sills. Other builders besides AC&F built high running board tank cars ca. 1910-1915 (Standard Tank Car Co., for one, though this car lacks the sloping box section bolsters that were an STC distinctive feature). SP&S had a rag-tag fleet of second-hand tank cars, but AFAIK none of them were high running board cars. However, SPS acquired a bunch of second hand company service equipment from the NP, so the car in question may have been a former NP car; NP did have high running board company service tank cars. Richard Hendrickson ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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Rufus Cone
This was functioning as an auxiliary oil tender for the oil burning SP&S
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locomotive on this move across non-oil-burning NP territory (to or from NP Livingston shops, I believe). If it was an NP car, it would have been built ca 1912 by Pressed Steel Car. See first entries here for some details on those PS tank cars. http://research.nprha.org/NP%20Tank%20Cars/Forms/AllItems.aspx Rufus Cone Bozeman, MT On 3/15/2012 11:31 AM, Richard Hendrickson wrote:
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Andy Carlson
I would not give too much weight to the SP&S 4-8-4 suggesting a possible SP&S
tankcar (though the SP&S did roster some MoW high walkway tank cars), as the photo was taken in Paradise, MT. on the Northern Pacific, 100s of miles from Spokane, WA., the farthest East the SP&S ran. How it was on the NP, I have not a clue. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: Richard Hendrickson <rhendrickson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thu, March 15, 2012 10:31:14 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Tank Car Id On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Bruce F. Smith wrote: High walkway is obvious as is the narrow center sill. PotentiallyNot a bad guess, Bruce, but apparently wrong, as the car in the (not very clear) image lacks AC&F style stub sills between the bolsters and the end sills. Other builders besides AC&F built high running board tank cars ca. 1910-1915 (Standard Tank Car Co., for one, though this car lacks the sloping box section bolsters that were an STC distinctive feature). SP&S had a rag-tag fleet of second-hand tank cars, but AFAIK none of them were high running board cars. However, SPS acquired a bunch of second hand company service equipment from the NP, so the car in question may have been a former NP car; NP did have high running board company service tank cars. Richard Hendrickson |
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Richard Hendrickson
On Mar 15, 2012, at 5:58 AM, Bruce F. Smith wrote:
High walkway is obvious as is the narrow center sill. PotentiallyNot a bad guess, Bruce, but apparently wrong, as the car in the (not very clear) image lacks AC&F style stub sills between the bolsters and the end sills. Other builders besides AC&F built high running board tank cars ca. 1910-1915 (Standard Tank Car Co., for one, though this car lacks the sloping box section bolsters that were an STC distinctive feature). SP&S had a rag-tag fleet of second-hand tank cars, but AFAIK none of them were high running board cars. However, SPS acquired a bunch of second hand company service equipment from the NP, so the car in question may have been a former NP car; NP did have high running board company service tank cars. Richard Hendrickson |
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John,
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High walkway is obvious as is the narrow center sill. Potentially an AC&F type 7, most likely in company service (trying to remember if SP&S had any). Regards Bruce Bruce F. Smith Auburn, AL https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/ "Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield." __ / \ __<+--+>________________\__/___ ________________________________ |- ______/ O O \_______ -| | __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ | | / 4999 PENNSYLVANIA 4999 \ | ||__||__||__||__||__||__||__||__|| |/_____________________________\|_|________________________________| | O--O \0 0 0 0/ O--O | 0-0-0 0-0-0 On Mar 14, 2012, at 8:26 PM, Phillips, III, J.A. wrote:
All- Can anyone Id this tank car behind SPS 701 at Paradise, Montana, in 1944? Bit of a stretch, but... http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvnjpeg_img_rec.php?objno=RVN07837 Any help appreciated, John Phillips Seattle Inez Mischitz says: ''I'm joining the NPModelers list. I've got my Luger pistol and my cyanide pills and my inflatable Batman suit!'' ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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J.A. Phillips
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Can anyone Id this tank car behind SPS 701 at Paradise, Montana, in 1944? Bit of a stretch, but... http://muse.museum.montana.edu/rvndb/rvnjpeg_img_rec.php?objno=RVN07837 Any help appreciated, John Phillips Seattle Inez Mischitz says: ''I'm joining the NPModelers list. I've got my Luger pistol and my cyanide pills and my inflatable Batman suit!'' |
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