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Clark Propst
I would like to model Erie box car 86026. Can anyone supply info on this car or number series?
Clark Propst Mason City Iowa |
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al_brown03
What date are you modelling? I ask because the Erie 86000 series was used at least twice: in the early 20th century for 36' single-sheathed "Fowler" boxcars, later on for 40' steel cars.
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., <cepropst@...> wrote:
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Ed Hawkins
On Apr 27, 2012, at 3:01 PM, <cepropst@q.com> wrote:
I would like to model Erie box car 86026. Can anyone supply info onClark, Presuming you model after 1952 (which I recall you do), Erie 86026 is from 86000-86499. They were 40' AAR all-steel box cars built by Erie August to November 1952. Inside height 10'-3 3/4", 7' door openings, 10-panel riveted sides, Improved Dreadnaught Ends (R+3/4 early version), Youngstown doors/Camel door hardware, diagonal panel roof. Truck centers 30'-8 1/2". Car 86026 came with an Ajax hand brake and wood flooring (86000-86399). The last 100 cars had Champion Peacock hand brakes and Nailable Steel Floors. A-3 Ride Control trucks (86000-86199). Other cars had snub-up trucks (86200-86399) or Barber S-2 (last 100 cars). The Erie diagram does not specify the type of running boards. A photo of 86499 in the Erie/DL&W color guide book shows U.S. Gypsum. A photo of 86296 available from Richard Burg also shows a U.S. Gypsum running board. The cars in both photos appear to be in original paint with mineral red sides and black roof & ends. Instead of the door placards being centered in the high position, the placards were offset to the left of center. The car would probably best be modeled using Branchline's 10'-6" box car, however, the height of the car from rail to top of the running board was 14'-10" whereas the common dimension for 10'-6" standard AAR box cars was 15'-0"/15'-1". Hope this provides what you are looking for. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Clark
According to my Erie diagram book the cars were built at Erie's Dunmore shops between August and November of 1952. There were three groups built, 86000-86199, 86200-86399, and 86400-86499. Car 86026 an Ajax hand brake, ride control trucks, diagonal panel roof, New York AB air brakes, Youngstown doors with Camel fixtures, and Improved Dreadnaught ends,. there is no mention of the type of roof walk. Rich Burg |
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pennsylvania1954
In 2003 I built a Branchline factory painted and lettered kit of Erie 86012 (NEW 11-52). The kit came with a silver or aluminum colored roof and running board. At the time, Branchline enjoyed a reputation for accuracy in their paint and lettering schemes. Also roof paint info was scant at best in RMJ or any other published source. I retained the roof in the factory color. In 2006 from an undec kit I built 86296 and painted it to match. Scalecoat II Boxcar Red #2 was a perfect match to the Branchline factory paint.
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Did Branchline really miss this one or is there more info out there? Steve Hoxie Pensacola FL --- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
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Ed Hawkins
On Apr 28, 2012, at 12:44 PM, Steve Hoxie wrote:
In 2003 I built a Branchline factory painted and lettered kit of ErieSteve, Your point is totally valid, and there's a distinct possibility if not a good probability, that the original roofs were unpainted except for coating riveted lap joints with black car cement. The practice of coating just the riveted lap joints (eaves and seam caps) was common during the late-1940s through the 1950s to better protect against roof leakage. I should have qualified my statement about the black roof, and what I said about the black roof may well be in error. The color photo in the color guide book clearly shows black ends, a common characteristic for Erie box cars. In both photos that I referenced, the edge of the roof appears black as do the seam caps. But, in retrospect, I cannot conclusively determine that the entire roof was coated with black car cement. Even if the entire roof was originally coated with black car cement, in just a few years the coating would often peel off leaving the exposed galvanized sheets. It would take a good overhead photo of a relatively new car or railroad paint specs to make a "for sure" statement about the roof color. Thank you for pointing this out. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Clark Propst
Thanks to everyone who took the time to reply : ))
Not know if there are decals alavailable for Erie box cars from this time period, I model 54 BTW, I guess I should look for a decorated Branchline kit....Good luck to me.... Clark Propst |
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