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Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car
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Bob C <thecitrusbelt@...>
Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in the 1950s
and 1960s which included a refrigerator car. This link show several offerings from that line and the refrigerator car is among several in the image: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindber\; g.jpg <http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindbe\; rg.jpg> Was there any prototype basis for this car, or any other Lindberg cars for that matter? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Bob Chaparro wrote:
Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in the 1950s and 1960s which included a refrigerator car. This link show several offerings from that line and the refrigerator car is among several in the image:Bob, these links return the message, "The image or video has been moved or deleted." Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Tony,
If you put the address in an then ADD "g.jpg" on the first one and "rg.jpg" on the second one, they will work... Jim Scott Lompoc, CA ________________________________ From: Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sun, May 13, 2012 10:24:36 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car Bob Chaparro wrote: Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in theBob, these links return the message, "The image or video has been moved or deleted." Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Greg Martin
Bob,
can't comment on the Reefer but I can tell you that the gondola represented an Erie prototype. I never measured their SW-1 but the drive was unique. As I recall their truck at the time were highly regarded by some. Greg Martin Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it. Norman Maclean Bo Chaparro writes: Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in the 1950's and 1960's which included a refrigerator car. This link show several offerings from that line and the refrigerator car is among several in the image: _http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindber\; g.jpg_ (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindberg.jpg) <_http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindbe\; rg.jpg_ (http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindberg.jpg) > Was there any prototype basis for this car, or any other Lindberg cars for that matter? Thanks. Bob Chaparro Hemet, CA [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Kenneth Montero
Tony,
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I was able to open both links this morning. I was using Mozilla's Firefox browser on Comcast using an Apple Mac Mini. Ken Montero ----- Original Message -----
From: "Anthony Thompson" <thompson@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 1:24:26 AM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car Bob Chaparro wrote: Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in theBob, these links return the message, "The image or video has been moved or deleted." Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Richard Hendrickson
On May 13, 2012, at 10:22 PM, Bob C wrote:
Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in the 1950sThe image of the reefer in that ad is too small to say anything useful about its prototype, if any, except that it certainly was NOT an SFRD car, as the model had 4' wide doors and Santa Fe cars all had 5' wide doors. In general, IIRC, Lindberg's cars appear to have been based on drawings in the Car Builders' Cyclopedias, though that might not be true in every case. Then, of course, they painted and lettered them for whatever railroads they thought might have market appeal, regardless of prototypical accuracy. And some of the freight cars never made it to the market (at least, not in any significant numbers) before Lindberg folded. Richard Hendrickson |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jim Scott wrote:
If you put the address in an then ADD "g.jpg" on the first one and "rg.jpg" on the second one, they will work...I did notice the wrap-around and fixed it last night, but still no dice. Still getting "Page not found." Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Benjamin Hom
Bob Chapparo asked:
"Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in the 1950s and 1960s which included a refrigerator car. This link shows several offerings from that line and the refrigerator car is among several in the image: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindberg.jpg Was there any prototype basis for this car, or any other Lindberg cars for that matter?" If you'll bear with me, this will be a muliple-part answer. The "Lindberg Line" railroad kits (as the company referred to its offerings) was picked up by Mantua and has been offered over the years in at least two different incarnations, first in their "Heavies" kits starting in the mid- to late-1980s, and later as "Mantua Classics" after Model Power picked up the tooling after Mantua closed up shop. Regarding the steel reefer, probably not. I haven't found any prototype with the combination of the doubled rivet row sides and ends resembling prewar Pullman ends. I've got one of these in the stash, and I'll probably end up harvesting the sides for an early steel auto car project as the model does represent an intermediate IH car between 8 ft 7 in and 10 ft. As for the rest of the car, I evaluate the rest of the line as follows: Kits with prototypes that have no other options available: - The gon actually models an interesting group of 2,000 Erie coal gons built in 1923-24. These cars originally had drop doors; around 750 cars were rebuilt with hoppers and slope sheets in 1934. The model's biggest shortcoming is its crude underframe molded into the carbody, which makes it sit too high. Richard Reichenbach did an article on these cars in a past issue of the ELHS publication (I have a copy of the article but not a citation of what issue it came from.) - Nehrich believes that the 40 ft stock car is an upsized version of a 36 ft Reading car featured in an Eric Stevens "Dollar Car" article in the September 1953 issue of MR; I'm inclined to believe him after seeing the article and the plans. Whatever the source, the model happens to closely match a Milwaukee Road prototype. See John Swanson's article in the January 1991 issue of RMC for more information. Kits with prototypes with other options available: - The steel boxcar looks to be yet another prewar AAR steel boxcar. I don't have one of the Mantua "Heavies" offerings or Lindberg cars in the original packaging to confirm if the later offerings are Lindberg, Mantua, or Tyco tooling. - The hopper is a rebuilt War Emergency twin with steel sides. - The caboose is a "Northeastern" steel caboose. Still trying to find the prototypes for these: - The flat car (with and without load) is a 12-stake pocket car. The deck is REALLY thick to make room for the weight. - Not sure what the tank car is trying to represent. - We already covered the reefer earlier. Informed commentary always welcome. Ben Hom |
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john.allyn@...
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I have a vague recollection of an MR review of the sto ck car saying that it was a GN prototype, fairly modern (like late forties ). John B. Allyn ----- Original Message -----
From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 3:06:11 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car Bob Chapparo asked: "Lindberg once produced a line of HO locomotives and cars in the 1950s and 1960s which included a refrigerator car. This link shows several offerings from that line and the refrigerator car is among several in the image: http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r132/tonycook1966/Lindberg/02_Lindberg.jpg Was there any prototype basis for this car, or any other Lindberg cars for that matter?" If you'll bear with me, this will be a muliple-part answer. The "Lindberg Line" railroad kits (as the company referred to its offerings) was picked up by Mantua and has been offered over the years in at least two different incarnations, first in their "Heavies" kits starting in the mid- to late-1980s, and later as "Mantua Classics" after Model Power picked up the tooling after Mantua closed up shop. Regarding the steel reefer, probably not. I haven't found any prototype with the combination of the doubled rivet row sides and ends resembling prewar Pullman ends. I've got one of these in the stash, and I'll probably end up harvesting the sides for an early steel auto car project as the model does represent an intermediate IH car between 8 ft 7 in and 10 ft. As for the rest of the car, I evaluate the rest of the line as follows: Kits with prototypes that have no other options available: - The gon actually models an interesting group of 2,000 Erie coal gons built in 1923-24. These cars originally had drop doors; around 750 cars were rebuilt with hoppers and slope sheets in 1934. The model's biggest shortcoming is its crude underframe molded into the carbody, which makes it sit too high. Richard Reichenbach did an article on these cars in a past issue of the ELHS publication (I have a copy of the article but not a citation of what issue it came from.) - Nehrich believes that the 40 ft stock car is an upsized version of a 36 ft Reading car featured in an Eric Stevens "Dollar Car" article in the September 1953 issue of MR; I'm inclined to believe him after seeing the article and the plans. Whatever the source, the model happens to closely match a Milwaukee Road prototype. See John Swanson's article in the January 1991 issue of RMC for more information. Kits with prototypes with other options available: - The steel boxcar looks to be yet another prewar AAR steel boxcar. I don't have one of the Mantua "Heavies" offerings or Lindberg cars in the original packaging to confirm if the later offerings are Lindberg, Mantua, or Tyco tooling. - The hopper is a rebuilt War Emergency twin with steel sides. - The caboose is a "Northeastern" steel caboose. Still trying to find the prototypes for these: - The flat car (with and without load) is a 12-stake pocket car. The deck is REALLY thick to make room for the weight. - Not sure what the tank car is trying to represent. - We already covered the reefer earlier. Informed commentary always welcome. Ben Hom |
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Benjamin Hom
John Allyn wrote:
"I have a vague recollection of an MR review of the [Lindberg] stock car saying that it was a GN prototype, fairly modern (like late forties )." Vague recollection of an MR review? Pretty slim straw to stand on! :) I'll check my references when I get home tonight, and hope that Staffan Ehnbom hasn't quit for the night! Ben Hom |
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soolinehistory <destorzek@...>
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Have you tried to glue the sides? Many MANY years ago, a high school buddy of mine had one of the Lindberg SW-600 locomotives, which actually wasn't a bad looking model, for the day... detailing was about on par with the Athearn "SW-1500" (actually an SW-7). The drive was a different matter, but he had some ideas on how to deal with that (a whole 'nother story). Anyway, the model needed to be stripped, since the paint looked as heavy as Rustoleum. It may well have been Rustoleum, because it wouldn't come off with whatever commercial model stripper was around back then, nor with brake fluid. In desperation, we tried hardware store paint and varnish remover, which would have eaten styrene in short order. It didn't even touch the Lindberg plastic, and ever since I've been of the opinion that the entire locomotive was molded from Delrin. The only way to get the new CalScale bell to stick was Walthers Goo :-( Dennis |
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Staffan Ehnbom <staffan.ehnbom@...>
Ben,
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I'm still up! I never associated the Lindberg stock car with anything GN. But I couldn't locate my sample tonight to list what might make it not GN. Does anyone have a good 3/4 view of the model car? Staffan Ehnbom ----- Original Message -----
From: Benjamin Hom To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car John Allyn wrote: "I have a vague recollection of an MR review of the [Lindberg] stock car saying that it was a GN prototype, fairly modern (like late forties )." Vague recollection of an MR review? Pretty slim straw to stand on! :) I'll check my references when I get home tonight, and hope that Staffan Ehnbom hasn't quit for the night! Ben Hom |
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Tom Vanwormer
Dennis,
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My still operational SW-1 (600 HP) diesel didn't have think paint and to this day is still one of the best running slow moving locomotives in my fleet. That it is now lettered for PE 1010 with two trolley poles and a water bottle on the cab deck makes it a wonderful locomotive and to think I was able to pick it up while a freshman at UCLA because it was a dead ringer for the real one stationed at the Culver City Substation at that time. (yeah, I know it isn't a freight car, but it is a beauty.) Tom VanWormer Monument CO soolinehistory wrote:
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john.allyn@...
The recollection was correct as to source; it was vague for details. Of course this assumes that MR was correct. From the October, 1962 issue of Model Railroader, page 16:
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"The prototype for the Lindberg 40-foot stock car appears to be a car built by the Pressed Steel Car Co. in the mid-twenties. The lettering identifies the car as having an AAR class SM designation, which means that it is a single deck car for on the hoof stock, with side doors and with or without water or feed troughs. We were unable to find plans or photos to check this series of car, but its dimensions and detailing compared favorably with cars of almost identical design. In later years (early 1940's) the 42000-series cars of the GN [the accompanying photo showed a model numbered 42734] are listed as boxcars and all stock equipment has 55000, 56000, 57000, and 58000 numbers." So I think that we're safe in assuming no particular prototype for this car. John B. Allyn ----- Original Message -----
From: "Benjamin Hom" <b.hom@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 3:44:40 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car John Allyn wrote: "I have a vague recollection of an MR review of the [Lindberg] stock car saying that it was a GN prototype, fairly modern (like late forties )." Vague recollection of an MR review? Pretty slim straw to stand on! :) I'll check my references when I get home tonight, and hope that Staffan Ehnbom hasn't quit for the night! Ben Hom |
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john.allyn@...
Steffan --
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I can scan the picture in the MR review which is a 3/4 view. Is it worth the effort? John B. Allyn ----- Original Message -----
From: "Staffan Ehnbom" <staffan.ehnbom@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 4:38:34 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car Ben, I'm still up! I never associated the Lindberg stock car with anything GN. But I couldn't locate my sample tonight to list what might make it not GN. Does anyone have a good 3/4 view of the model car? Staffan Ehnbom ----- Original Message ----- From: Benjamin Hom To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 10:44 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: Lindberg HO Scale Refrigerator Car John Allyn wrote: "I have a vague recollection of an MR review of the [Lindberg] stock car saying that it was a GN prototype, fairly modern (like late forties )." Vague recollection of an MR review? Pretty slim straw to stand on! :) I'll check my references when I get home tonight, and hope that Staffan Ehnbom hasn't quit for the night! Ben Hom [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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rwitt_2000
Tom Vanwormer wrote:
to this day is still one of the best running slow moving locomotives inmy fleet. That it is now lettered for PE 1010 with two trolley poles anda water bottle on the cab deck makes it a wonderful locomotive and toa dead ringer for the real one stationed at the Culver City Substationat that time. (yeah, I know it isn't a freight car, but it is a beauty.)It maybe a nice runner, but I recall the reviews stating that the truck center-to-center distance was incorrect, too short so the front truck was too far from the end sills. There seem to be no easy way to correct this error except by rebuilding the underframe. The the "short" hood and the height of the drive "towers" prevented their relocated beyond the hood. For the flat car, I can't be sure of a prototype, but I recall the length was ~42-ft and the too thick plastic deck came off leaving just the underframe. A scratch-built wood deck greatly improved the look, but of course left no place to hide a weight so it needed a load. I agree, the most probable prototype for the stock cars was the Reading 36-ft one as Ben cited. I recall the Lindberg/Mantua model also was too tall. The box car as Dennis states represents an early AAR one with a panel roof and with ends that look something like Pullman-Standard car builder ends with square corner posts. The corrugations, I believe were similar to those used on the ends on the reefers. I recall I passed on the reefer as it did not resemble any known prototype. All the underframe were very crude with the brake rigging and components modeled in relief . After the flat car, the hopper has some modeling possibilities as well as the stock car if modeled for the Milwaukee Road. I also recall that the tank on the tank car represented one with an 8,000-gal capacity so it was potentially smaller than what was available from other manufacturers at that time. The trucks molded in Delrin were the more useful product from Lindberg, but now they are obsolete. Regards, Bob Witt |
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StephenK
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