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Attaching Kadee running boards to plastic roofs
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For those that have attached Kadee running boards [ I almost wrote roof walks...gasp! ] to plastic roofs...what do you use for an adhesive? I'm having trouble with CA types of glue with this process.
Armand, I'm pretty sure you've done this...are you awake up there? Mike Brock |
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Mike, I have used contact cement and silicone adhesive without any problems
Rich Christie ________________________________ From: Mike Brock <brockm@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 5:03 PM Subject: [STMFC] Attaching Kadee running boards to plastic roofs For those that have attached Kadee running boards [ I almost wrote roof walks...gasp! ] to plastic roofs...what do you use for an adhesive? I'm having trouble with CA types of glue with this process. Armand, I'm pretty sure you've done this...are you awake up there? Mike Brock |
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Charles Hladik
Mike,
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Some time ago on this site, barge cement and canopy cement were discussed at length as good adhesives for dissimilar roof/running board attachment. Chuck Hladik In a message dated 6/14/2012 6:04:49 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
brockm@... writes: For those that have attached Kadee running boards [ I almost wrote roof walks...gasp! ] to plastic roofs...what do you use for an adhesive? I'm having trouble with CA types of glue with this process. Armand, I'm pretty sure you've done this...are you awake up there? Mike Brock [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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James F. Brewer <jfbrewer@...>
Barge cement
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Jim Brewer Glenwood MD ----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:03:42 PM Subject: [STMFC] Attaching Kadee running boards to plastic roofs For those that have attached Kadee running boards [ I almost wrote roof walks...gasp! ] to plastic roofs...what do you use for an adhesive? I'm having trouble with CA types of glue with this process. Armand, I'm pretty sure you've done this...are you awake up there? Mike Brock [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Armand Premo
Mike,Following Denny's lead,I use Barge Cement.It works for me.Awake?barely.It is in the seventies with a nice breeze off the lake.Hardly weather for building models.Regards,A
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From: Mike Brock To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2012 6:03 PM Subject: [STMFC] Attaching Kadee running boards to plastic roofs For those that have attached Kadee running boards [ I almost wrote roof walks...gasp! ] to plastic roofs...what do you use for an adhesive? I'm having trouble with CA types of glue with this process. Armand, I'm pretty sure you've done this...are you awake up there? Mike Brock |
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Pierre <pierre.oliver@...>
Mike,
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Pliobond also works well. Pierre Oliver --- In STMFC@..., "Mike Brock" <brockm@...> wrote:
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Ed Hawkins
On Jun 14, 2012, at 5:44 PM, Armand Premo wrote:
Mike,Following Denny's lead,I use Barge Cement.It works for me.Awake?barely.It is in the seventies with a nice breeze off the lake.Hardly weather for building models.Regards,AArmand & others, After not buying Barge cement for a number of years, I recently ran out of my supply only to learn that the adhesive is now available only in a toluene-free formula. The package color changed from yellow & red to blue. I've read a number of on-line reviews about the new formula claiming the toluene-free formula doesn't work nearly as well. For years I have used the old formula to attach steel nuts inside of box cars & reefers for weights. For obvious reasons I wouldn't want these pieces becoming unglued inside an assembled plastic or urethane box car or reefer. I would like to hear comments from people who have used the new formula and if you have found it acceptable. Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Ed Hawkins wrote:
After not buying Barge cement for a number of years, I recently ran out of my supply only to learn that the adhesive is now available only in a toluene-free formula. The package color changed from yellow & red to blue. I've read a number of on-line reviews about the new formula claiming the toluene-free formula doesn't work nearly as well.I continue to use, and be entirely satisfied with, canopy cement for dissimilar materials gluing of all kinds. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Bill Welch
I remember suggesting this before and was more or less hooted down but I would prefer having a drill template to create holes in the roof so that I could use an adhesive on the underside of the roof like epoxy. For situations where the roof is already glued on, one could make the holes tight enough that the roof would stay on with friction.
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Bill Welch --- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:
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I've been using Barge for this. I bought my first tube of the new formula a couple of months ago and I haven't noticed a difference but I'll pay more attention now. I just bought my first container of canopy cement and coincidentally enough attached my first roof walk with it this week. I'd say it's easier to do a neat job with the canopy cement than with the Barge.
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Bob Sterner St. Paul, MN --- In STMFC@..., "lnbill" <fgexbill@...> wrote:
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jerryglow2
I can tell you for one that it doesn't thin with MEK like the old stuff. I don't use the new formula as it's too darn thick and stringy.
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Jerry Glow --- In STMFC@..., Ed Hawkins <hawk0621@...> wrote:
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Ed
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For those hidden weights I've always used DAP silicone caulk. You have to let it dry overnight but it is NEVER coming loose. :-) I've never been able to find Barge cement for sale so I use other contact cement brands that still have all that nasty stuff in them, dilute them with MEK, and they work wonderfully. Weldbond is the brand I've used the most. Hobby Tac is another. (But this has also been recently changed so I don't know if it's any good now.) Tim O' ----- Original Message -----
From: jerryglow@... For years I have used the old formula to attach steel nuts inside of box cars & reefers for weights. For obvious reasons I wouldn't want these pieces becoming unglued inside an assembled plastic or urethane box car or reefer. |
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Oh great. My wife just picked some up for me in town today.
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Aaron --- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:
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Mike,
Try MicroScale Krystal Klear - it is an excellent adhesive. Yes, I know it has a drying time that begs measurement using a "glacial ice thermometer" - often that turns out to be as much of an asset as a 'problem'. At least one aspect of KK is that if you want to redo something you just have to put a drop of water on the joint and leave it alone for 30 minutes or more and it will soften and let go where you can clean all of it off completely. Another plus is that is dries perfectly clear - so if some of it gets on some painted surface ... when it dries you can't tell it is there. I am not certain but I suspect that Canopy Cement is the same product in a different package. KK has the edge because you don't have to go to a "model airplane store". I know - picky, picky, picky. *G* - Jim |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Jim Betz wrote:
I am not certain but I suspect that Canopy Cement is the same product in a different package.It can't literally be the SAME product. Looking at my containers of each, they are different-looking liquids, and if you rub some between your thumb and forefinger, they feel different. They may of course be chemically SIMILAR. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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billsoman
I thin the new formula with MEK exactly as I did with the old formula (2:1 MEK/Barge) and it works just fine. I use Barge for attaching rail to CV tie strips, and have seen zero difference in performance or ease of application. There are some tricks to successful usage for rails/ties but that would be off-topic here, email if interested.
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I also talked to a guy in a large shoe repair shop last year; with 4 cobblers at work the place stunk to high heaven with Barge, which is the industry standard for them. He said they'd seen "no difference" and haven't bothered re-ordering the old tuolene formulation (which is still available in cans to commercial customers) --- Bill Sornsin, Seattle --- In STMFC@..., jerryglow@... wrote:
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