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new Canadian 8-hatch reefer
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
I've seen the announcement from Tru-Line Trains of their new CP and PGE 8-hatch steel reefers. I know that both CP and CN had 8-hatch reefers well back into the steam era, but can anyone be specific about these new models? Since I model 1953, I assume the CP Script version and the PGE versions COULD be correct for that time scale. Any help appreciated.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Randy Hammill
Hi, Tony -
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I work for True Line Trains now, and I can answer these questions for you. I apologize if I break any of the forum rules being a manufacturer. The CP models are the 1953-4 built (I don't have exact build dates for these cars right now) sliding door ('plug door') version. For 1953 you'd be looking for the 'stepped' CP scheme introduced in 1951. The Script herald was introduced in 1959. The CN models will be coming out later this year. They are a hinged door version built 1946-1949. green maple leaf with the tilted box and 'Serves All Canada' slogan. Incidentally, I've been compiling a list of major paint schemes on the Freight Cars page on our site (http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars). I still have some more information to add about the 8-hatch reefers too. The main source for information on these cars is a Jan '95 to Feb '96 series of articles in RMC by Stafford Swain and Ken Goslett, along with the ever helpful RPI site. I'm trying to increase the prototype and paint scheme information for all of our models on the site. I would also highly recommend checking with the stores, as we are already out of all of our stock on the CP cars. Walthers is the US distributor. Let me know if I can answer any other questions. Randy Hammill http://newbritainstation.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 True Line Trains randy --at-- truelinetrains.ca --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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Richard Townsend
A question I have about these cars is to what extent would they have been seen in the US? Weren't they principally meat reefers?
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Don Burn
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Anthony Thompson Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:46 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] new Canadian 8-hatch reefer I've seen the announcement from Tru-Line Trains of their new CP and PGE 8-hatch steel reefers. I know that both CP and CN had 8-hatch reefers well back into the steam era, but can anyone be specific about these new models? Since I model 1953, I assume the CP Script version and the PGE versions COULD be correct for that time scale. Any help appreciated. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links |
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pge253 <gregkennelly@...>
Tony,
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The PGE cars (820 - 824) were built to the CPR design by National Steel Car in 6-54. These particular cars would be unlikely to travel to the US prior to the early 1960s as the ORERs of the 1950s carried the following note for the PGE: "Freight cars owned are used in switching service only with direct connections". Prior to 1956, the only "direct connections" were the CPR at Vancouver, BC (via car barge (float) from Squamish) and the CNR at Prince George, BC (after 1952). Two more PGE series were built by NSC to the CN design with sliding plug doors: 825 - 834 in August 1956 and 835 - 844 in July 1958. The GHQ Forum article referred to by Don Burn provides a list of commodities carried in these 8-hatch overhead bunker cars and also has a map showing locations in the US where these cars were seen. Cheers, Greg Kennelly Burnaby, BC --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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Richard Hendrickson
On Jun 17, 2012, at 9:01 PM, richtownsend@... wrote:
A question I have about these cars is to what extent would theyMeat and fish, Rich, and there is photographic evidence of those cars in the US, e.g. in Utah on the UP and as far south as Los Angeles and Fort Worth. Probably not a lot of traffic, but they certainly crossed the border to US destinations routinely/ Richard Hendrickson |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
The PGE cars (820 - 824) were built to the CPR design by National Steel Car in 6-54. These particular cars would be unlikely to travel to the US prior to the early 1960s as the ORERs of the 1950s carried the following note for the PGE: "Freight cars owned are used in switching service only with direct connections". Prior to 1956, the only "direct connections" were the CPR at Vancouver, BC (via car barge (float) from Squamish) and the CNR at Prince George, BC (after 1952). Two more PGE series were built by NSC to the CN design with sliding plug doors: 825 - 834 in August 1956 and 835 - 844 in July 1958.Thanks, Greg, good information. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Richard Townsend
Thanks, Richard. Glad to hear that. I was hoping to find a way to justify one of these on my layout.
Richard Townsend Lincoln City, Oregon |
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Don Burn wrote:
This might help http://www.ghqmodels.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3597Thanks for the link, Don. Interesting summary of information about the CN cars. But the data are for the CN 209000 series, while the TLT models are from the 210000 series, as well as I can understand what I'm reading. The Funaro & Camarlengo HO kit is for the CN 209000 series, as I recall. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Randy,
Thanks for the info! Any chance that we might see the earlier variants produced as well? As I understand the versions on the TLT web site, the earliest cars had a different end? I believe I need that for my 1944 time-frame. Of course, I'll probably only get one ;^) Regards, Bruce Smith Auburn, AL ________________________________________ From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...] on behalf of rhammill [nhrr@...] Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 10:13 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: new Canadian 8-hatch reefer Hi, Tony - I work for True Line Trains now, and I can answer these questions for you. I apologize if I break any of the forum rules being a manufacturer. The CP models are the 1953-4 built (I don't have exact build dates for these cars right now) sliding door ('plug door') version. For 1953 you'd be looking for the 'stepped' CP scheme introduced in 1951. The Script herald was introduced in 1959. The CN models will be coming out later this year. They are a hinged door version built 1946-1949. green maple leaf with the tilted box and 'Serves All Canada' slogan. Incidentally, I've been compiling a list of major paint schemes on the Freight Cars page on our site (http://www.truelinetrains.ca/freight-cars). I still have some more information to add about the 8-hatch reefers too. The main source for information on these cars is a Jan '95 to Feb '96 series of articles in RMC by Stafford Swain and Ken Goslett, along with the ever helpful RPI site. I'm trying to increase the prototype and paint scheme information for all of our models on the site. I would also highly recommend checking with the stores, as we are already out of all of our stock on the CP cars. Walthers is the US distributor. Let me know if I can answer any other questions. Randy Hammill http://newbritainstation.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 True Line Trains randy --at-- truelinetrains.ca --- In STMFC@..., Anthony Thompson <thompson@...> wrote:
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spsalso
Walthers is listing these only as 6-packs. While I could see buying one, maybe two, six is too many. Too bad. I note that Walthers lists no single HO freight cars from True Line. If True Line is intending to penetrate the US market, I think this is a mistake. But, perhaps that is not their interest.
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Randy Hammill
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Actually, our models are (and have always been) available as individual items. In addition to single items, dealers and distributors have the option of purchasing multi-packs and selling as a set, or splitting them and selling as individual cars. While it's up to the dealer or distributor to sell them as they decide, I know Walthers prefers selling them singly, so I'll give them a call and see what the deal is. Thanks! Randy Hammill True Line Trains randy --at-- truelinetrains.ca http://newbritainstation.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 --- In STMFC@..., "spsalso" <Edwardsutorik@...> wrote:
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Randy Hammill
Hi, Bruce -
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Right now the answer is a firm 'maybe.' I'm hoping we can do additional variations, but the biggest factor for this (or any other model, such as the 6' door Fowler cars - hint, hint), is to be able to show there's enough of a market. Personally, I think there would be enough interest in another variation or two of the 8-hatch reefers. For a number of reasons I'd like to see us do the earlier version too. But I don't have the final say, since it's not my money on the line. The sales for this run are a great start. The CN variations will be a good indication as to whether the multiple variations for this car will work. My recommendation is to get the word out. I'm on this forum frequently so I can compile the interest here. We have a Facebook page and buzz there carries a lot of weight at this point. We all know folks modeling in other eras too. So if something doesn't fit your era, pass the word along. I know we don't have a large presence in the US, that's why I'm now on board. Like most companies, we operate on a pre-order basis. There's no obligation or money up-front required by us (dealers have their own policies). I can tell you that we are listening to what the modelers are looking for, particularly the prototype modelers. For example, in addition to retooling portions of the Fowler cars (particularly the underframe), we're also retooling the trucks with the Simplex bolsters to fix the bolster height. And before you all ask, we won't be seeing those until sometime next year... Thanks! Randy Hammill True Line Trains randy --at-- truelinetrains.ca http://newbritainstation.com Modeling the New Haven Railroad 1946-1954 --- In STMFC@..., "Bruce F. Smith" <smithbf@...> wrote:
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tommy boyle
Gentlemen;
Use to see the CP 8 hatch reefers routinely on the Boston & Maine and New Haven, usually in blocks,coming down from Canada. Never did find out what they were carrying though-good fodder for future investigating. Regards, Tom Travers [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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midrly <midrly@...>
I believe that some were used to haul Maine potatoes from the Aroostook Valley Railroad in the eastern part of Maine into New Brunswick.
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Steve Lucas. --- In STMFC@..., TJT4446 <tjtravers@...> wrote:
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I'd certainly be interested in a few of the hinged door CPR cars.
Rob Kirkham |
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kmelvin1663 <melvinphotos@...>
YES, We are also interested in a hinged door version of this car. The traffic that I intend to model with these cars was their operation over the Maine Central on a daily basis in the period 1962-1966 (sorry STMFC). They moved potatoes in these cars originating in Aroostook Country via the Aroostook Valley and Canadian Pacific to the Maine Central at Vanceboro for furtherance into the Boston and New York markets. In the photos we have showing their presence in this time period; the plug door cars outnumbered the older hinged door cars almost 3-to-1.
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George & Kathy Melvin Readfield, Maine --- In STMFC@..., "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
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de Vries <bjdevries01@...>
FWIIW: In Classic Freight Cars Vol. 3 by John Henderson are 3 pics of CN 8-hatch reefers: 1 with hinged doors, photographed at
Ft. Worth, TX and 2 w. plugdoors pictured at Kansas City, Missouri and Mimico, Ontario. Ben de Vries From: kmelvin1663 Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:01 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: new Canadian 8-hatch reefer YES, We are also interested in a hinged door version of this car. The traffic that I intend to model with these cars was their operation over the Maine Central on a daily basis in the period 1962-1966 (sorry STMFC). They moved potatoes in these cars originating in Aroostook Country via the Aroostook Valley and Canadian Pacific to the Maine Central at Vanceboro for furtherance into the Boston and New York markets. In the photos we have showing their presence in this time period; the plug door cars outnumbered the older hinged door cars almost 3-to-1. George & Kathy Melvin Readfield, Maine --- In mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com, "Rob Kirkham" <rdkirkham@...> wrote:
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