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GAC Pfaulder Milk Reefers in freight service
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL
Don <riverman_vt@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@...> wrote:
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
Warren's photo is posted in the Files section as ACL 912.
Thanks for any help on this.
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL
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Thanks for any help on this.
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL
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Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
Bill McCoy
Jax, FL
al_brown03
The file is called ACL912ROCKYMT-1200.jpg
Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
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--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
Charlie Vlk
Where is the file? Could someone provide a link..it doesn't show up in the
new photos section and trying to find it in the photos and files sections I
didn't see it either. Is it on the main site or another?
Charlie Vlk
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al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:38 PM
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: GAC Pfaulder Milk Reefers in freight service
The file is called ACL912ROCKYMT-1200.jpg
Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don"
<riverman_vt@...> wrote:
outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It
looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the
standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my
1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from
Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me
may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still
receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and
passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in
freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the
largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The
Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service
between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which
service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual
rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in
work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at
various locations.
new photos section and trying to find it in the photos and files sections I
didn't see it either. Is it on the main site or another?
Charlie Vlk
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GAC Pfaulder Milk Reefers in freight service
The file is called ACL912ROCKYMT-1200.jpg
Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don"
<riverman_vt@...> wrote:
<wpmccoy@> wrote:
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bill"
912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL
outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It
looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the
standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my
1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section
refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from
Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me
may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still
receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and
passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in
freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the
largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The
Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service
between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which
service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual
rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in
work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at
various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
al_brown03
Main site, files section.
AL B.
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--- In STMFC@..., "Charlie Vlk" <cvlk@...> wrote:
Where is the file? Could someone provide a link..it doesn't show up in the
new photos section and trying to find it in the photos and files sections I
didn't see it either. Is it on the main site or another?
Charlie Vlk
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GAC Pfaulder Milk Reefers in freight service
The file is called ACL912ROCKYMT-1200.jpg
Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don"
<riverman_vt@> wrote:<wpmccoy@> wrote:
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bill"912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL
outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It
looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the
standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my
1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section
refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from
Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me
may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still
receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and
passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in
freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the
largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The
Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service
between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which
service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual
rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in
work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at
various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
rdietrichson
Charlie,
It is in the file section in the second alpabetical section.
Rick Dietrichson
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It is in the file section in the second alpabetical section.
Rick Dietrichson
---- Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote:
Where is the file? Could someone provide a link..it doesn't show up in the
new photos section and trying to find it in the photos and files sections I
didn't see it either. Is it on the main site or another?
Charlie Vlk
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Sunday, July 01, 2012 2:38 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: GAC Pfaulder Milk Reefers in freight service
The file is called ACL912ROCKYMT-1200.jpg
Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Don"
<riverman_vt@...> wrote:<wpmccoy@> wrote:
--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> , "Bill"912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL
outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It
looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the
standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my
1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section
refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from
Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me
may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still
receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and
passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in
freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the
largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The
Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service
between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which
service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual
rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in
work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at
various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
Charlie Vlk
Rick,
Thanks. Probably would be a good idea for posters to cite the full chapter and verse as a photo put into the files section doesn't show up as a new photo with group emails and without the name of the file and the section it is in it can be tedious looking for it....although you might run across something else even more interesting that you didn't know was there!
Thanks
Charlie Vlk
Charlie,
It is in the file section in the second alpabetical section.
Rick Dietrichson
Thanks. Probably would be a good idea for posters to cite the full chapter and verse as a photo put into the files section doesn't show up as a new photo with group emails and without the name of the file and the section it is in it can be tedious looking for it....although you might run across something else even more interesting that you didn't know was there!
Thanks
Charlie Vlk
Charlie,
It is in the file section in the second alpabetical section.
Rick Dietrichson
Don <riverman_vt@...>
By "growlythings" I presume you mean those rolling smudge pots at the head of the train. In any event, while I could not open the photo yesterday this morning it was done. Unfortunately the angle of view on the GPEX car prevents me from offering anymore than was posted uyesterday about who might have leased it. With a large file of GPEX car photos here for reference, certainly not just limited to New England, I cannot find any with an emblem that could be mistaken for what is seen on the forward end of the GPEX car in the photo. My best guess, however, is that it is either an empty being returned to Florida, occasionally with both tanks full of good New England drinking water, or a load of oragen juice concentrate heading north.
Sorry I can't offer more, Don Valentine
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--- In STMFC@..., "al_brown03" <abrown@...> wrote:
The file is called ACL912ROCKYMT-1200.jpg
Car in question is the second one behind the growlythings.
Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.
--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@> wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine
Thanks Don and all. I'll learn about posting files instead of Photos. I appreciate your patience.
The car in the photo appears to have a large monogram of some sort on the car side to the right of the door. Could this have been a H. P. Hood logo? Are there any pictures of the Hood cars in this service? Would they have received additional dimensional stencilling?
I know 2 GAC wood milk reefers were in OJ concentrate service for Eversweet from Frostproof, FL to Chicago, sadly well executed by Athearn but on their awful GAC express reefer. I wish Walthers would consider doing these cars.
Any other Juice concentrate freight movements that come to mind using former milk service cars?
Thanks,
Bill McCoy,
Jax, FL
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The car in the photo appears to have a large monogram of some sort on the car side to the right of the door. Could this have been a H. P. Hood logo? Are there any pictures of the Hood cars in this service? Would they have received additional dimensional stencilling?
I know 2 GAC wood milk reefers were in OJ concentrate service for Eversweet from Frostproof, FL to Chicago, sadly well executed by Athearn but on their awful GAC express reefer. I wish Walthers would consider doing these cars.
Any other Juice concentrate freight movements that come to mind using former milk service cars?
Thanks,
Bill McCoy,
Jax, FL
--- In STMFC@..., "Don" <riverman_vt@...> wrote:
--- In STMFC@..., "Bill" <wpmccoy@> wrote:
Warren Calloway sent the photo I've sent to the Photos section of ACL 912 North at Rocky MT, NC in probably 1963 or 64. I know the photo date is outside this group's scope but the second car in the train may not be. It looks like a GAF Pfaulder reefer with a monogram of some sort and the standard GAC gold lettering. I want to justify one of these cars for my 1950s SE era. Any ideas on who the lesssee would be?
Unfortunately I cannot find the photo you refer to in the photo section under "ACL", "Calloway", GPEX, or "milk car" but expect you are probably refering to 6,000 gal. capacity cars of orange juice concentrate from Dunedin, Fla. to Boston for H.P. Hood & Sons, though others unknown to me may also have moved o.j. concentrate in this manner. Hood was still receiving such carloads until it went to trucks in 1972. The steam and passenger signal lines were removed from the milk cars earlier for use in freight rather than passenger service. H.P. Hood, by-the-way, was the largest user of the GPEX cars and the last to use them in milk service. The Richter Vinegar Company, however, was still using them in brine service between Manitowoc, Wis. and Ludington, Mich. as late as August 1978 in which service they spent more time on Lake Michigan car ferries than on actual rail. The L&N and GM&O, thence IC, used a number of them for water cars in work train service as well. At least a half dozen have been preserved at various locations.
Cordially, Don Valentine