Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars
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Jim Lancaster
Atlas has announced new paint schemes for their HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars
http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt3.htm Are any of these prototypically correct? Jim Lancaster
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Brian Carlson
Jim:
As we discuss every time a new run if these is announced. They are not prototypical for anything out if the box. Search the archives for more details. Brian Carlson On Jan 3, 2013, at 2:25 PM, Lancaster James <ljames1@...> wrote: Atlas has announced new paint schemes for their HO USRA steel rebuilt [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Don Burn
The only one I think is correct is the ACL scheme, but as always it depends
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on the year you model. Don Burn
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From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of Lancaster James Sent: Thursday, January 03, 2013 2:26 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars Atlas has announced new paint schemes for their HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt3.htm Are any of these prototypically correct? Jim Lancaster ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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Benjamin Hom
Jim Lancaster asked:
"Atlas has announced new paint schemes for their HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt3.htm Are any of these prototypically correct?" Don Burn replied: "The only one I think is correct is the ACL scheme, but as always it depends on the year you model." As Brian stated earlier, NONE of these models are correct out of the box. The ACL model is the closest, but the side ladders need to be replaced with grabs and the model needs rework of the side sill to match the prototype. These models are hermaphrodites that match no specific prototype, and for $35, you're better off spending the extra money and wait on delivery of the more correct Sunshine Models kits. Ben Hom
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Gene <bierglaeser@...>
--- In STMFC@..., "Don Burn" wrote:
The only one I think is correct is the ACL scheme, but as always it depends > on the year you model.The ACL scheme looks too modern for my 1950 RR. One of the cars matches an RMJ photo dated 1964. When might that scheme have first been applied. Gene Green
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Benjamin Hom
Gene Green asked:
"The ACL scheme looks too modern for my 1950 RR. One of the cars matches an RMJ photo dated 1964. When might that scheme have first been applied?" Not as new as you might think, Gene. ACL Gothic lettering with Prismo sill stripes was applied to cars as early as 1951. Ben Hom
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Even more ridiculous is that Atlas makes a version that uses grabs instead of ladders.
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But I agree with you, it's basically the Tichy USRA tank car. Except that car was actually an incredibly well designed model, and it was cheaper, and it actually did represent something real -- a drawing. Ferrohermaphroditic, indeed. Tim O'Connor
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From: "benjaminfrank_hom" <b.hom@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Thursday, January 3, 2013 3:02:38 PM Subject: [STMFC] Re: Atlas HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars Jim Lancaster asked: "Atlas has announced new paint schemes for their HO USRA steel rebuilt box cars http://www.atlasrr.com/HOFreight/hosteelrebuilt3.htm Are any of these prototypically correct?" Don Burn replied: "The only one I think is correct is the ACL scheme, but as always it depends on the year you model." As Brian stated earlier, NONE of these models are correct out of the box. The ACL model is the closest, but the side ladders need to be replaced with grabs and the model needs rework of the side sill to match the prototype. These models are hermaphrodites that match no specific prototype, and for $35, you're better off spending the extra money and wait on delivery of the more correct Sunshine Models kits. Ben Hom ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links
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spsalso
Page 77 of RP Cyc 24 shows a rebuilt ACL car with ladders. And that little stripey dotty strip (the correct technical description) on the bottom of the sides. It's dated 1959.
Ed Edward Sutorik
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Benjamin Hom
Tim O'Connor wrote:
"Even more ridiculous is that Atlas makes a version that uses grabs instead of ladders." That's one less thing to fix if you're doing the ACL/C&WC or SL-SF cars, but you still need to fix the poorly rendered side sill. "But I agree with you, it's basically the Tichy USRA tank car. Except that car was actually an incredibly well designed model, and it was cheaper, and it actually did represent something real -- a drawing. Ferrohermaphroditic, indeed." The Atlas "USRA rebuilds" are less the Tichy USRA tank car and far more like the Athearn 50 ft gon - models that at first glance look like they fit many prototypes, but in the end really match nothing. Ben Hom
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Benjamin Hom
Ed Sutorik wrote:
"Page 77 of RP Cyc 24 shows a rebuilt ACL car with ladders. And that little stripey dotty strip (the correct technical description) on the bottom of the sides. It's dated 1959." Unfortunately, it's the only photo of these cars showing ladders instead of grabs in RP Cyc 24. And it doesn't "magic" away the crappy side sill on the Atlas model. Ben Hom
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spsalso
Volume 24 of the RP Cyc has an article on these cars. I believe from information therein, that ONLY cars from ACL, C&WC, DT&I, EJ&E, and Frisco MIGHT be modeled by the Atlas cars.
All others need not apply. Ed Edward Sutorik
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spsalso
But wait, there's more. This announcement is the same as one from April 3, 2012. So, if you ordered cars back then, cease and desist ordering again.
Ed Edward Sutorik
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Benjamin Hom
Ed Sutorik wrote:
"Volume 24 of the RP Cyc has an article on these cars. I believe from information therein, that ONLY cars from ACL, C&WC, DT&I, EJ&E, and Frisco MIGHT be modeled by the Atlas cars." Ed, go back and review the article again. The DT&I cars have unique Cambre roofs that are nowhere near that offered on ANY of the Atlas cars; the EJ&E cars have Murphy rectangular panel roofs. NONE of these prototypes can be modeled by any of the Atlas models out of the box. Ben Hom
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spsalso
It appears that, if one accepts the shallow side sill modeling, that the ACL and someday-to-be-produced Frisco cars ARE credible models of the prototype. Or am I missing something else.
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Ed Edward Sutorik
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Benjamin Hom
Ed Sutorik wrote:
"It appears that, if one accepts the shallow side sill modeling, that the ACL and someday-to-be-produced Frisco cars ARE credible models of the prototype. Or am I missing something else." The problem with the side sill is more than its shallow profile - both prototypes also had distinctive brackets joining the underframe to the sides that the Atlas car fails to model accurately. Also as pointed out earlier, depending on the car modeled (and the model used), the great majority of these cars had side grabs instead of ladders. The door details also leave something to be desired. The bottom line: should you pay $35 for this model? Ben Hom
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Dennis Storzek
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Unless they've changed the rectangular panel roof, there is something weird about the way the panels come all the way to the edge of the roof. Dennis
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Especially considering that a Sunshine model is only slightly more
than that! My days of buying inaccurate, expensive models are over. Tim O' The bottom line: should you pay $35 for this model? Ben Hom
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