On Jan 5, 2013, at 1:59 PM, "cereshill" wrote:

Gentlemen,

I have a Pac Limited USRA single sheathed outside braced model I need appropriate road names for….

Appropriate road names for what date? I assume the Pacific Limited model represents the USRA 50 ton single sheathed box cars as built. Some of those cars survived into the early '50s without rebuilding (e.g. Milwaukee, Reading, Southern Pacific) Many others were rebuilt into all steel cars (PMCK&Y) or extensively modified (Pennsylvania RR, Erie) to the point where a model representing the cad as built isn't correct. It's impossible to answer this question without knowing the date being modeled.

Is the UP model the same as the image in ted culotta's ARA 1932 box car book [reference page 214]?

I can't answer that question without seeing the model, or a good image of it, but I doubt it very much. The Union Pacific only owned one box car built to the AAR 1932 specs., B-50-18 class UP 182500. It's highly unlikely that Pat O'Boyle imported models representing a single car.
Since you're citing the image in Ted's book, I assume the model represents a steel sheathed box car, but the Union Pacific owned a lot of those, both built new and rebuilt from older cars. Without more information, that question can't be answered either.

Richard Hendrickson



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Brad Andonian wrote:

The UP car was Pac Ltd Pl-3100
* I have notes that is it UP #182500 B-50-18. I am wishing to confirm this is correct.

That's the right car number. UP owned just ONE of these cars and that's the one. Your call, of course, but I believe that to model rarities just complicates the problem of creating reality in modeling.

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A. T. Kott wrote:
"He also imported a PRR car - I recall that there were 5 cars in that series??"

NO!  Just one car - PRR 36986, Class X35.
You were probably thinking about the five demonstator cars.


Ben Hom

A.T. Kott wrote:

Tony -
Pacific Limited did in fact import a model of the single UP boxcar. Pat O'Boyle imported brass models of about 16 different varieties of the 1932 ARA boxcar, with the appropriate roadname on each of the boxes.

If I gave the impression I did not believe the car was done, I apologize. I did not think that and did not mean to say it. My comment was that for most modelers, CHOOSING to include this car, which was one of a kind, strikes me as an extreme rarity and a poor addition to a layout freight car fleet. But obviously YMMV.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history

A. T. Kott wrote:
"He also imported a PRR car - I recall that there were 5 cars in that
series??"

I replied:
"NO! Just one car - PRR 36986, Class X35.
You were probably thinking about the five demonstator cars."

A. T. replied:
"You are right! Pat did do the demonstrator cars."

To be fair to A. T., PRR 36986 was one of the five demonstration cars:

ARA 1 -> NYC 100000
ARA 2 -> C&O 1900
ARA 3 -> PRR 36986
ARA 4 -> C&O 1901
ARA 5 -> C&O 1902


Ben Hom