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Walthers HO 53' 6" GSC Flatcar capy
Trucks would be one factor. There may have been other reasons as well.
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Walther HO model 53' 6" GSC flatcar, in PRR paint is a 70 ton car, in ATSF
paint only a 50 ton car. Is that determined by the trucks it sits on?
Thank you
Steve Shaffer
Richard Hendrickson
On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:07 PM, sshaffer <sshaffer@...> wrote:
Ft-7, were of 70 tons nominal capacity. Trucks are certainly an issue in assigning nominal capacities, but it's also conceivable that GSC had castings for both 50 and 70 ton cars.
Richard Hendrickson
Walther HO model 53' 6" GSC flatcar, in PRR paint is a 70 ton car, in ATSFSanta Fe's 53'6" GSC flat cars, classes Ft-W, Ft-3, and Ft-5, had nominal capacities of 50 tons. Santa Fe's one class of 60' GSC flats, class
paint only a 50 ton car. Is that determined by the trucks it sits on?
Ft-7, were of 70 tons nominal capacity. Trucks are certainly an issue in assigning nominal capacities, but it's also conceivable that GSC had castings for both 50 and 70 ton cars.
Richard Hendrickson
John
I think that is a good response. Also, if you have prototype photos, try to ID the trucks to see what their rating is and also check the LT WT on the cars. If the LT WT is higher on the 70 ton cars (besides the naturally heavier 70 ton trucks) the heavier casting theory is probably correct.
-- John
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-- John
--- In STMFC@..., Richard Hendrickson wrote:
On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:07 PM, sshaffer wrote:Walther HO model 53' 6" GSC flatcar, in PRR paint is a 70 ton car, in ATSFSanta Fe's 53'6" GSC flat cars, classes Ft-W, Ft-3, and Ft-5, had nominal capacities of 50 tons. Santa Fe's one class of 60' GSC flats, class
paint only a 50 ton car. Is that determined by the trucks it sits on?
Ft-7, were of 70 tons nominal capacity. Trucks are certainly an issue in assigning nominal capacities, but it's also conceivable that GSC had castings for both 50 and 70 ton cars.
Richard Hendrickson
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Greg Martin
I think the important thing to know is that the PRR never bought the GSC
53' 6" flat car in this configuration. Close but no Cigars,
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
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53' 6" flat car in this configuration. Close but no Cigars,
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
In a message dated 2/10/2013 5:50:49 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
John.Sykes@... writes:
I think that is a good response. Also, if you have prototype photos, try to
ID the trucks to see what their rating is and also check the LT WT on the
cars. If the LT WT is higher on the 70 ton cars (besides the naturally
heavier 70 ton trucks) the heavier casting theory is probably correct.
-- John
--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) , Richard
Hendrickson wrote:
castings for both 50 and 70 ton cars.
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John.Sykes@... writes:
I think that is a good response. Also, if you have prototype photos, try to
ID the trucks to see what their rating is and also check the LT WT on the
cars. If the LT WT is higher on the 70 ton cars (besides the naturally
heavier 70 ton trucks) the heavier casting theory is probably correct.
-- John
--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) , Richard
Hendrickson wrote:
ATSF
On Feb 9, 2013, at 4:07 PM, sshaffer wrote:Walther HO model 53' 6" GSC flatcar, in PRR paint is a 70 ton car, in
nominal capacities of 50 tons. Santa Fe's one class of 60' GSC flats, classpaint only a 50 ton car. Is that determined by the trucks it sits on?Santa Fe's 53'6" GSC flat cars, classes Ft-W, Ft-3, and Ft-5, had
Ft-7, were of 70 tons nominal capacity. Trucks are certainly an issue inassigning nominal capacities, but it's also conceivable that GSC had
castings for both 50 and 70 ton cars.
Richard Hendrickson
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Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Greg Martin wrote:
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I think the important thing to know is that the PRR never bought the GSC 53' 6" flat car in this configuration. Close but no Cigars,Two points. First, GSC has ads in the 1949-51 and 1953 _Cyc_ for both 50-ton and 70-ton one-piece cast underframes, by which I would conclude that they are different. Second, the PRR F30-A underframe from GSC is awfully similar in appearance to the conventional GSC 70-ton underframe, though with 13 instead of 14 stake pockets, and is only 50 feet long, not 53' 6", which is probably what Greg refers to.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
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Schuyler Larrabee
I believe the operative word is "cigar." Greg said "Close, but no cigars."
You, Tony, are going to have to turn in your Prototype Police badge if you
keep this up. J
Schuyler
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Anthony Thompson
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Greg Martin wrote:
Two points. First, GSC has ads in the 1949-51 and 1953 _Cyc_ for both 50-ton
and 70-ton one-piece cast underframes, by which I would conclude that they
are different. Second, the PRR F30-A underframe from GSC is awfully similar
in appearance to the conventional GSC 70-ton underframe, though with 13
instead of 14 stake pockets, and is only 50 feet long, not 53' 6", which is
probably what Greg refers to.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history
You, Tony, are going to have to turn in your Prototype Police badge if you
keep this up. J
Schuyler
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
Anthony Thompson
Sent: Sunday, February 10, 2013 10:18 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Walthers HO 53' 6" GSC Flatcar capy
Greg Martin wrote:
I think the important thing to know is that the PRR never bought the GSC53' 6" flat car in this configuration. Close but no Cigars,
Two points. First, GSC has ads in the 1949-51 and 1953 _Cyc_ for both 50-ton
and 70-ton one-piece cast underframes, by which I would conclude that they
are different. Second, the PRR F30-A underframe from GSC is awfully similar
in appearance to the conventional GSC 70-ton underframe, though with 13
instead of 14 stake pockets, and is only 50 feet long, not 53' 6", which is
probably what Greg refers to.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
<mailto:thompson%40signaturepress.com>
Publishers of books on railroad history
Greg Martin
Tony and all,
The two cast steel flat car underframes acquired by the PRR from GSC were
as the links show:
Class F30(A,C,D,E subclasses) and is offered by Bowser.
_http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F30a_F30c.gif&sel=fla
t&sz=sm&fr=ge_
(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F30a_F30c.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=ge)
Class F41 which is what I would call the "Closest" class to the WKK and
Tichy cars but again no cigars....
_http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F41.gif&sel=flat&sz=s
m&fr=ge_
(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F41.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=ge)
The was this variation of cast steel car as well but it ran on 3-axle
trucks, one of my favorite cars but closer to the F30A (Bowser car) than the
later GSC design.
_http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F36.gif&sel=flat&sz=s
m&fr=ge_
(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F36.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=ge)
It is on my "to-do" list but it hasn't made it up the list all that far.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
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The two cast steel flat car underframes acquired by the PRR from GSC were
as the links show:
Class F30(A,C,D,E subclasses) and is offered by Bowser.
_http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F30a_F30c.gif&sel=fla
t&sz=sm&fr=ge_
(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F30a_F30c.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=ge)
Class F41 which is what I would call the "Closest" class to the WKK and
Tichy cars but again no cigars....
_http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F41.gif&sel=flat&sz=s
m&fr=ge_
(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F41.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=ge)
The was this variation of cast steel car as well but it ran on 3-axle
trucks, one of my favorite cars but closer to the F30A (Bowser car) than the
later GSC design.
_http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F36.gif&sel=flat&sz=s
m&fr=ge_
(http://prr.railfan.net/diagrams/PRRdiagrams.html?diag=F36.gif&sel=flat&sz=sm&fr=ge)
It is on my "to-do" list but it hasn't made it up the list all that far.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through it.
Norman Maclean
In a message dated 2/10/2013 7:17:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
thompson@... writes:
Greg Martin wrote:
Two points. First, GSC has ads in the 1949-51 and 1953 _Cyc_ for both
50-ton and 70-ton one-piece cast underframes, by which I would conclude that
they are different. Second, the PRR F30-A underframe from GSC is awfully
similar in appearance to the conventional GSC 70-ton underframe, though with 13
instead of 14 stake pockets, and is only 50 feet long, not 53' 6", which
is probably what Greg refers to.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _thompson@...
(mailto:thompson@...)
Publishers of books on railroad history
thompson@... writes:
Greg Martin wrote:
I think the important thing to know is that the PRR never bought the GSC53' 6" flat car in this configuration. Close but no Cigars,
Two points. First, GSC has ads in the 1949-51 and 1953 _Cyc_ for both
50-ton and 70-ton one-piece cast underframes, by which I would conclude that
they are different. Second, the PRR F30-A underframe from GSC is awfully
similar in appearance to the conventional GSC 70-ton underframe, though with 13
instead of 14 stake pockets, and is only 50 feet long, not 53' 6", which
is probably what Greg refers to.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, _thompson@...
(mailto:thompson@...)
Publishers of books on railroad history
Anthony Thompson <thompson@...>
Schuyler Larrabee wrote:
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history
I believe the operative word is "cigar." Greg said "Close, but no cigars." You, Tony, are going to have to turn in your Prototype Police badge if you keep this up.Um, not turning in the badge. I agree with Greg, and did not state I had qualified to get my cigar. The discussion had touched on the question of whether GSC had different castings for 50- and 70-ton cars, and I believe that is a "yes," though unrelated to Greg's point.
Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, thompson@...
Publishers of books on railroad history