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Armand Premo
 

Some of these cars became sand cars at engine terminals in later life.They were painted red.A.Premo

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From: al_brown03
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Subject: [STMFC] Re: Delaware and Hudson cement boxcar



Have you seen the article on the D&H cars in MM 2/85, pp 30-33? There are photos and drawings of the hoppers and hatches.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "rckwallaby" wrote:
>
> For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
> Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR, CEMENT. 75 units said to have been built.
>
> I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
> There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some of those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files from a hard drive crash recovery.
>
> If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could go look.
>
> Cheers
> Phil Morrow
> Melbourne -AUS.
>
>
> --- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.
> >
> > B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.
> >
> > Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.
> >
> > Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.
> >
> > Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.
> >
> >
> > Jim Mischke
> > B&OHS
> >
>

Jim Mischke
 

I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

Jim Mischke
 

Found a little more information.

citation: "Box Cars become Gravity-Unloading Bulk Cement Carriers", Concrete - Cement mill Section, feb. 1935, pages 35-37.

A light treatment. D&H had 30 such cars. Serving plants at Howe's Cave and Glenns Falls, NY. Photo of hopper doors shows them very close to doorway.

No mention of B&O converted boxcars.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

rckwallaby
 

For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR, CEMENT. 75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some of those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files from a hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could go look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

al_brown03
 

Have you seen the article on the D&H cars in MM 2/85, pp 30-33? There are photos and drawings of the hoppers and hatches.

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "rckwallaby" <pmo77304@...> wrote:

For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR, CEMENT. 75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some of those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files from a hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could go look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.


--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

ronald parisi
 

Dear Phil:
If you could take the time I would sure appreciate if you could locate
photos of the boxcar. I just completed a model of the Centrals AC&F air
activated
cement container gons. I am interested in these early efforts at dedicated
service cars. I would presume that the box cars were earlier than the
container gons as the D&H had container gons also and supposedly used them
into the 60's.

Ron Parisi

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM, rckwallaby <pmo77304@...> wrote:

**


For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR, CEMENT.
75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been
nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some of
those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files from a
hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could go
look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.


--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single
sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933,
287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on
the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in
hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some
research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H
invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought
from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car?
An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

rckwallaby
 

I will take a look over the weekend and get back to you.

That gondola souns and interesting car. Would like to see a photo of your work.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne, AUS.

--- In STMFC@..., ronald parisi <ronald.parisi@...> wrote:

Dear Phil:
If you could take the time I would sure appreciate if you could locate
photos of the boxcar. I just completed a model of the Centrals AC&F air
activated
cement container gons. I am interested in these early efforts at dedicated
service cars. I would presume that the box cars were earlier than the
container gons as the D&H had container gons also and supposedly used them
into the 60's.

Ron Parisi

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM, rckwallaby <pmo77304@...> wrote:

**


For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR, CEMENT.
75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been
nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some of
those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files from a
hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could go
look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.


--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single
sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933,
287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on
the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in
hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some
research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H
invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought
from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car?
An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS



ronald parisi
 

Phil:

I did attach one photo but it went thru STMFC so I guess it got blocked.
I'll send a few out to you tomorrow.

Ron P

On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:13 PM, rckwallaby <pmo77304@...> wrote:

**


I will take a look over the weekend and get back to you.

That gondola souns and interesting car. Would like to see a photo of your
work.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne, AUS.


--- In STMFC@..., ronald parisi wrote:

Dear Phil:
If you could take the time I would sure appreciate if you could locate
photos of the boxcar. I just completed a model of the Centrals AC&F air
activated
cement container gons. I am interested in these early efforts at
dedicated
service cars. I would presume that the box cars were earlier than the
container gons as the D&H had container gons also and supposedly used
them
into the 60's.

Ron Parisi

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM, rckwallaby wrote:

**


For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR,
CEMENT.
75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been
nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some
of
those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files
from a
hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could
go
look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.


--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single
sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933,
287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new
locks on
the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They
lasted in
hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps
some
research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor
D&H
invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they
bought
from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H
car?
An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS


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Charles Hladik
 

Phil,
I have seen Ron's gon, even judged it. It is definitely an award
winner.
Chuck Hladik

In a message dated 3/6/2013 7:14:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pmo77304@... writes:




I will take a look over the weekend and get back to you.

That gondola souns and interesting car. Would like to see a photo of your
work.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne, AUS.

--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) , ronald
parisi wrote:

Dear Phil:
If you could take the time I would sure appreciate if you could locate
photos of the boxcar. I just completed a model of the Centrals AC&F air
activated
cement container gons. I am interested in these early efforts at
dedicated
service cars. I would presume that the box cars were earlier than the
container gons as the D&H had container gons also and supposedly used
them
into the 60's.

Ron Parisi

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM, rckwallaby wrote:

**


For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR,
CEMENT.
> 75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been
nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some
of
those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files
from a
> hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could
go
look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.


--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) ,
"jim_mischke" wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA
single
sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933,
287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new
locks on
the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They
lasted in
hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps
some
research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor
D&H
invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they
bought
from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H
car?
An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.
>
Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS
>

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[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

rckwallaby
 

Agree with you there Chuck.
I got the photos from Ron and they are very impressive models.
Top class modelling and weathering there.

I found the photos of the OMI model of the car. But they are quite small after having been recovered from a harddrive fail. I'm happy to share them but they're probably not appropriate to add to this sites photo album because they came from BrassTrains.com.

Regards
Phil Morrow
Melbourne AUS.

--- In STMFC@..., RUTLANDRS@... wrote:

Phil,
I have seen Ron's gon, even judged it. It is definitely an award
winner.
Chuck Hladik


In a message dated 3/6/2013 7:14:29 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
pmo77304@... writes:




I will take a look over the weekend and get back to you.

That gondola souns and interesting car. Would like to see a photo of your
work.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne, AUS.

--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) , ronald
parisi wrote:

Dear Phil:
If you could take the time I would sure appreciate if you could locate
photos of the boxcar. I just completed a model of the Centrals AC&F air
activated
cement container gons. I am interested in these early efforts at
dedicated
service cars. I would presume that the box cars were earlier than the
container gons as the D&H had container gons also and supposedly used
them
into the 60's.

Ron Parisi

On Tue, Mar 5, 2013 at 11:20 PM, rckwallaby wrote:

**


For the little it's worth; OMI produced a model of this in 1987.
Their catalogue number #3100 - "1700" SERIES WOOD SHEATH BOX CAR,
CEMENT.
> 75 units said to have been built.

I have one of these unpainted in my collection.
There was one sold on BrassTrains.com a few years back that had been
nicely painted and lettered. Even weathered as I recall. I saved some
of
those photos but they're currently in the netherland pile of files
from a
> hard drive crash recovery.

If you wanted some of those, if they could be of value to you, I could
go
look.

Cheers
Phil Morrow
Melbourne -AUS.


--- In _STMFC@... (mailto:STMFC@...) ,
"jim_mischke" wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA
single
sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933,
287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new
locks on
the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They
lasted in
hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps
some
research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor
D&H
invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they
bought
from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H
car?
An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.
>
Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS
>

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Pieter Roos
 

Hello Jim;

Actually, the article by Greg Smith in Vol 2, No.1 of the B&O Modeler on the M24 cement cars contains more information than I have seen in the articles and photos of the D&H cars. In particular, the MM article and Tichy kit that apparently derived from it assumed that the cars retained the as-built Murphy XLa roof. Yet D&H converted many of their USRA boxcars to use solid metal roofs (Viking, Hutchins or Murphy rectangular panel). Does it make sense that they made such a change on general service boxcars but left the original roof on bulk cement cars?

Pieter Roos
Connecticut.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@...> wrote:



Found a little more information.

citation: "Box Cars become Gravity-Unloading Bulk Cement Carriers", Concrete - Cement mill Section, feb. 1935, pages 35-37.

A light treatment. D&H had 30 such cars. Serving plants at Howe's Cave and Glenns Falls, NY. Photo of hopper doors shows them very close to doorway.

No mention of B&O converted boxcars.






--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

al_brown03
 

The MM article includes a photo of the roof: looks to me like a Hutchins. (The "carlines" have that distinctive bolt toward the outer end.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@..., "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...> wrote:


Hello Jim;

Actually, the article by Greg Smith in Vol 2, No.1 of the B&O Modeler on the M24 cement cars contains more information than I have seen in the articles and photos of the D&H cars. In particular, the MM article and Tichy kit that apparently derived from it assumed that the cars retained the as-built Murphy XLa roof. Yet D&H converted many of their USRA boxcars to use solid metal roofs (Viking, Hutchins or Murphy rectangular panel). Does it make sense that they made such a change on general service boxcars but left the original roof on bulk cement cars?

Pieter Roos
Connecticut.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



Found a little more information.

citation: "Box Cars become Gravity-Unloading Bulk Cement Carriers", Concrete - Cement mill Section, feb. 1935, pages 35-37.

A light treatment. D&H had 30 such cars. Serving plants at Howe's Cave and Glenns Falls, NY. Photo of hopper doors shows them very close to doorway.

No mention of B&O converted boxcars.






--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

Larry Sexton
 

All,



The following articles should help anyone trying to model the D&H or B&O
converted cement cars from the 1930s.



D & H 40'SS Cement hopper boxcars (Tichy) - Mainline Modeler June 1994, pg
47-48

D&H 3200 series Covered 2-bay cement cars (Tichy USRA mod) - D&H
Spring-Summer 1984, pg 37-39

D&H 1700 series cement hopper-bottom boxcars (Tichy USRA model) - Mainline
Modeler Feb 1985, pg 30-33. Photos showing roof, ends and hoppers

B&O class M24 USRA 40' SS cement Cars (Tichy) - B&O Sentinel 4th Qtr 2000,
pg 21-26



Larry Sexton

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] On Behalf Of
al_brown03
Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2013 9:00 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Delaware and Hudson cement boxcar





The MM article includes a photo of the roof: looks to me like a Hutchins.
(The "carlines" have that distinctive bolt toward the outer end.)

Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...> wrote:


Hello Jim;

Actually, the article by Greg Smith in Vol 2, No.1 of the B&O Modeler on
the M24 cement cars contains more information than I have seen in the
articles and photos of the D&H cars. In particular, the MM article and Tichy
kit that apparently derived from it assumed that the cars retained the
as-built Murphy XLa roof. Yet D&H converted many of their USRA boxcars to
use solid metal roofs (Viking, Hutchins or Murphy rectangular panel). Does
it make sense that they made such a change on general service boxcars but
left the original roof on bulk cement cars?

Pieter Roos
Connecticut.

--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



Found a little more information.

citation: "Box Cars become Gravity-Unloading Bulk Cement Carriers",
Concrete - Cement mill Section, feb. 1935, pages 35-37.

A light treatment. D&H had 30 such cars. Serving plants at Howe's Cave
and Glenns Falls, NY. Photo of hopper doors shows them very close to
doorway.

No mention of B&O converted boxcars.






--- In STMFC@... <mailto:STMFC%40yahoogroups.com> ,
"jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single
sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933,
287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on
the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in
hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some
research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H
invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought
from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car?
An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

Jim Mischke
 

I am building on the B&O Modeler article information.

Understandably, the article does not reconcile the oval roof hatches, side round hatches, or no hatch configurations seen in photos. And whose hopper doors, Wine or Enterprise? Such information has not surfaced. I would speculate that the the hopper doors would be the same as the class N-31 and N-34 wagontop covered hoppers.

We know of three uses. (1) Originally used by Vang Construction to haul cement from a plant in Pittsburgh to build nearby Allegheny River Lock and Dam #2 during 1933-1936, 40 cars, class M-24a. (2) In 1940, eight of these M-24a cars were reassigned to haul sand between a quarry on the AC&Y and a Dupont plant in Cleveland. (3) Also in 1940, 18 were converted to M-24b for zinc sinter service between Dupont plants in New Castle, Pa. and one in West Virginia. Both Dupont services seem to have lasted until about 1958. Several cars went into company service, unknown task.

However, the B&O photographs do not directly corrulate between the three configurations and the three uses.

--- In STMFC@..., "Pieter_Roos" <pieter_roos@...> wrote:


Hello Jim;

Actually, the article by Greg Smith in Vol 2, No.1 of the B&O Modeler on the M24 cement cars contains more information than I have seen in the articles and photos of the D&H cars. In particular, the MM article and Tichy kit that apparently derived from it assumed that the cars retained the as-built Murphy XLa roof. Yet D&H converted many of their USRA boxcars to use solid metal roofs (Viking, Hutchins or Murphy rectangular panel). Does it make sense that they made such a change on general service boxcars but left the original roof on bulk cement cars?

Pieter Roos
Connecticut.

--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



Found a little more information.

citation: "Box Cars become Gravity-Unloading Bulk Cement Carriers", Concrete - Cement mill Section, feb. 1935, pages 35-37.

A light treatment. D&H had 30 such cars. Serving plants at Howe's Cave and Glenns Falls, NY. Photo of hopper doors shows them very close to doorway.

No mention of B&O converted boxcars.






--- In STMFC@..., "jim_mischke" <jmischke@> wrote:



I am very curious about the D&H cement boxcar, a modified USRA single sheathed boxcar, the familiar HO model manufactured by Tichy.

B&O had similar cars, classes M-24a and M-24b, modified in 1933, 287000-287039 series. They were first used to haul cement for new locks on the Allegheny River, later zinc sinters and sand for Dupont. They lasted in hopper form until 1958 or so.

Our B&O photos and information are sparce or conflicting. Perhaps some research into the D&H experience might help. Certainly neither B&O nor D&H invented hopper doors or hatches for their cement car programs, they bought from vendors. Maybe the same vendors.

Can anyone point me to a D&H diagram book or diagram for this D&H car? An emailed attachment would be welcome, pdf or jpg format would work.

Please contact me in advance. Thank you in advance.


Jim Mischke
B&OHS

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