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Andy Carlson
I had earlier made a suggestion about an alternate way to paint a load of mill
sheet steel to look like what it is supposed to be. I have a concern about believability being applied evenly through a scene. I had long conversations with Jack Parker in his last years about the Zen of obtaining believable miniatures. Jack was fascinated with what digital photography and printing could accomplish, and he spent a lot of time pursuing this interest. He always said that what we are after is the "illusion" of the scenes we model. As an example I could site the 1st N scale box cars which came out with separate details, such as the ladders. We should have been delighted to have free-standing detail, but the illusion was destroyed because the ladders looked like Orchard ladders made with 2X4s. Everyone can recall instances like this in our hobby. Jack felt that metal buildings, which were quit common here in the West, notably petroleum industries, were a challenge in painting realistically. He felt the results were often simply someones painted miniature. Jack had a 30 inch color printer which could print scenes as long as the original roll of paper would allow. Jack made many corrugated steel buildings from photos of real buildings he had photographed, PhotoShopped and laminated onto styrene forms. The challenge digitally was evening out cast on shadows and correcting the perspectives from the photos. The resulting structures looked fantastic, yet when placed on the layout something was wrong--the scenes did not compliment each other. Photo realistic models looked "different" than adjoining conventional models. One of the biggest hurdles is achieving realistic finishes. Would a photo realistic flat car load of steel make the flat car look less realistic? I know that the good Hollywood set dressers can make an outside scene look more convincing on a sound stage set by spraying a very thin dark wash over the whole set. The before and after is striking in the success of believability. I don't know if maybe I am searching for a cure to a problem that doesn't exist? -Andy Carlson Ojai CA |
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Jack Burgess <jack@...>
<Would a photo realistic flat car load of steel make the flat car look
<less realistic? I know that the good Hollywood set dressers can make an <outside scene look more convincing on a sound stage set by spraying a <very thin dark wash over the whole set. The before and after is striking <in the success of believability. < < <I don't know if maybe I am searching for a cure to a problem that <doesn't exist? < <-Andy Carlson I think that you might be talking about the same general idea that I have thought about for a couple of decades. Basically, I think that everything on a layout from structures to the freight cars needs to both be detailed to the same general degree but also be painted and weathered in the same general way. For example, once a majority of the freight cars on a layout have free-standing ladders and scale steps, then it is time to remove from service those Athearn blue box cars. Those non-free standing ladders might not be that obvious when all of the freight cars have them but resin kits will amplify the differences. Likewise, I think that the methods used to weather freight cars (and structures) needs to be consistent. I don't think that it makes a lot of difference whether an air brush and chalks are used or washes but I think that the same methods need to be used throughout a layout so that the method isn't obvious. I think that putting a freight car weathered with washes next to one weathered with chalks will make the differences more apparent and thus less realistic. You're noticed I used the word "think" a lot...this is a very personal opinion. Jack Burgess www.yosemitevalleyrr.com |
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Tom Vanwormer
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geodyssey <riverob@...>
Check out Lance Mindheim's photo realistic models. Nice work all around:
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http://www.lancemindheim.com Robert Simpson --- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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feddersenmark
Andy, The problem does exist. I had a similar reaction to the first (and only) Clever Bros. buliding (which are photo realistic paper kits) I placed on the railroad. While the model looked great on the work bench, when placed next to conventional models on the layout, it just didn't "work". Stuck out like a sore thumb.
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The same problem can occur in backdrops produced from photos. Most common is when a building photographed in sharp focus is reduced in size to force perspective. The color shift and reduction of sharpness due to the atmosphere between the viewer and the "distant" buiding is lacking and your brain tells you something is wrong. Same with distant tree lines made from bright green, sharply focussed trees reduced in size on the backdrop to force perspective...there should be an atmospheric haze and color shift to a bluish-green. Mark Feddersen --- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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Roland Levin
I’m reading my mail in the latest version of Outlook and I get the blank messages. The problem can’t be on my side (or the other members who have experienced the problem). The problem has to be with the sender or within Yahoo.
(I have no problem reading it on the group web page) Roland Levin Use a competent browser. This complaint is a duplicate of just 2 days ago. I have no trouble seeing all of Jack's messages either in my email program or on the group web pages. Can we pleeeeease not see this discussion again, Regards Bruce Bruce Smith Auburn, AL [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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