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NORTHERN PACIFIC 41' FLAT CAR
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WILLIAM PARDIE
A question that I have been unsuccessfully seeking an answer for a number of years might be
more revalent now. Central Valley has recently released a model of a Northern Pacific 41' flat car. There is a photo of the model on CV's website. It is finished with a late lettering scheme. This is as per a photo that Jack Parker was kind enough to share with me some years back. I believe that earlier in its career this car was lettered with NORTHERN PACIFIC spelled out and with Andrews trucks. I would like to find a photographic evidence of this so that i can properly letter my car with the correct data placement. Hopefully now that this car is on the market I can finally get an answer. Bill Pardie |
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Andy Carlson
Bill,
were you aware that these company built (from box cars) were built for non-revenue purposes? Near absolute lack of evidence that these were ever sent off-line with an interchanged load. -Andy Carlson Ojai CA ________________________________ From: WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> To: STMFC@... Sent: Sat, March 16, 2013 3:07:42 PM Subject: [STMFC] NORTHERN PACIFIC 41' FLAT CAR A question that I have been unsuccessfully seeking an answer for a number of years might be more revalent now. Central Valley has recently released a model of a Northern Pacific 41' flat car. There is a photo of the model on CV's website. It is finished with a late lettering scheme. This is as per a photo that Jack Parker was kind enough to share with me some years back. I believe that earlier in its career this car was lettered with NORTHERN PACIFIC spelled out and with Andrews trucks. I would like to find a photographic evidence of this so that i can properly letter my car with the correct data placement. Hopefully now that this car is on the market I can finally get an answer. Bill Pardie |
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al_brown03
When were these in revenue service, and what was their number series?
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Al Brown, Melbourne, Fla. --- In STMFC@..., WILLIAM PARDIE <PARDIEW001@...> wrote:
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They were never in revenue service as far as I know. The number
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series 200000 and above was for company service cars, and lists several thousand cars without specifying what any of them are in the ORER's. Tim O'Connor When were these in revenue service, and what was their number series? |
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leakinmywaders
Bill: There were some earlier NP flat cars of 41 ft length, also rebuilt from older boxcars, that fit your description of the lettering (and possibly some had Andrews trucks). These had shallower, less massive side sills than the Central valley kit, and many had truss rod underframes. Photos are scarce, but W&R had some posted in a brochure announcing a brass project of several versions. Here's a link to RV Nixon shot with such a flat serving as a crane tender in 1962 (note at that date, no full road name, just "NP"):
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http://morphotoarchive.org/rvndb/rvndb-zoom-jpgs/RVN26311.jpg As far as I know these were also used almost exclusively in NP company service (but possibly very occasionally as idler cars for long revenue loads), from about the late 1940s through the 1960s. The photo you remember might have been one of those earlier cars, but as Andy and others said, the CV kit represents a distinctive mid-1960s rebuild from a steel underframe (non-truss-rod) boxcar. Chris Frissell Polson, MT --- In STMFC@..., Andy Carlson <midcentury@...> wrote:
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Charlie Vlk
The car pictured has a distinctive pressed steel under frame. I don't know NP equipment very well but would guess that the box cars they came from cold be the same ones that were rebuilt into bay window transfer? cabooses.
Charlie Vlk On Mar 17, 2013, at 8:53 PM, "leakinmywaders" <leakinmywaders@...> wrote: Bill: There were some earlier NP flat cars of 41 ft length, also rebuilt from older boxcars, that fit your description of the lettering (and possibly some had Andrews trucks). These had shallower, less massive side sills than the Central valley kit, and many had truss rod underframes. Photos are scarce, but W&R had some posted in a brochure announcing a brass project of several versions. Here's a link to RV Nixon shot with such a flat serving as a crane tender in 1962 (note at that date, no full road name, just "NP"): [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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leakinmywaders
Charlie: Yes the contours of those side sills do look familiar. If so, that would make this a 36-foot car, not 41 ft as I initially stated, rebuilt from NP boxcar series 38300-38999 (Standard Steel Car in 1903
http://research.nprha.org/NP%20Box%20Cars/Box%20Cars%2038300.jpg). The following photo shows two additional work flats coupled to the original flat car on the same June 1962 date (Evaro, MT): http://morphotoarchive.org/rvndb/rvndb-zoom-jpgs/RVN26313.jpg The middle flat shows a different construction, with a deeper, steeply dropping fishbelly portion of the side sill. On other photos the visible details of this construction suggest a structural plate fastened over, or possibly replacing, the original side sills. It looks to be about the same length as the first car. The third car with the A-frame rack resembles the first in side sill shape, but has more closely spaced stake pockets. Anyone interested can find some scattered diagram sheets for 36, 40, and 41-foot NP company service flats indexed on this page of the nprha web site : http://research.nprha.org/NP%20Maintenance%20of%20Way%20Equipment/Forms/AllItems.aspx And some diagram sheets for the original boxcars are at: http://research.nprha.org/NP%20Box%20Cars/Forms/AllItems.aspx Chris Frissell Polson, MT --- In STMFC@..., Charlie Vlk <cvlk@...> wrote: .... |
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