SANTA FE STOCK CAR LETTERING


WILLIAM PARDIE
 

I would like to determine when the Santa Fe changed from the long
lettering boards with A.T.& S.F. To the shorter boards without the
periods.

Also would like a recommendation for the best trucks for the SK-Q
and SK-S series.

Thankd in davance:

Bill Pardie


Tony Thompson
 

Bill Pardie wrote:
I would like to determine when the Santa Fe changed from the long lettering boards with A.T.& S.F. To the shorter boards without the periods.
Bill, the ampersand was dropped in 1938 and the periods in A.T.S.F. were dropped in 1943.

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Steve SANDIFER
 

The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
Just because the lettering changed does not mean they swapped to shorter boards. I have seen photos of ATSF on long boards.
Trucks: "Bettendorf" type cast steel

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I would like to determine when the Santa Fe changed from the long
lettering boards with A.T.& S.F. To the shorter boards without the
periods.

Also would like a recommendation for the best trucks for the SK-Q
and SK-S series.

Thankd in davance:

Bill Pardie


Tony Thompson
 

Steve Sandifer wrote:
The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
As Richard Hendrickson pointed out in the Santa Fe Painting and Lettering Guide, the first cars delivered to Santa Fe without periods were in June of 1943, presumably reflecting a change by the railroad. But cars delivered as late as February 1944 still had periods, likely builders who didn't get (or acted as if they didn't get) the message. This kind of observation can be made for lots of railroads, including cases with the Southern Pacific where builders were not following the railroad's own lettering spec seven years after a change. But for the present case, evidently the Santa Fe internally decided in 1943 to drop the periods.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
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Publishers of books on railroad history


Richard Hendrickson
 

On May 27, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
Just because the lettering changed does not mean they swapped to shorter boards. I have seen photos of ATSF on long boards.
Trucks: "Bettendorf" type cast steel
Steve is, as usual, correct, though it is worth noting that these changes were usually not made until a car was repainted, which was often several years (and sometimes many years) after the change went into effect.

Trtucks on all of the stock cars built by the Pennsylvania Car Co. in the late '20s were ARA cast steel with spring planks and Barber lateral motion devices. An exact HO scale reproduction is Tahoe Model Works' TMW109 (110wheels) or TMW 209 (88 wheels). See my model truck presentation at <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wMkpBYUw1RjhmRkE/edit?pli=1>.

Richard Hendrickson


Steve SANDIFER
 

I have a photo of a SK-T 60289 marked A.T.S.F. that must be mid 50s or later. It is beside a FT in Cigar paint with lifting lugs and a Firecracker antennae. Photo at Perry Oklahoma.
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Home: 12027 Mulholland Drive, Meadows Place, TX 77477, 281-568-9918
Office: Southwest Central Church of Christ, 4011 W. Bellfort, Houston, TX 77025, 713-667-9417

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On May 27, 2013, at 11:27 AM, Steve Sandifer <steve.sandifer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> The change from A.T.& S.F to A.T.S.F. took place in 1938
> The change from A.T. S. F. to ATSF took place in 1944
> Just because the lettering changed does not mean they swapped to shorter boards. I have seen photos of ATSF on long boards.
> Trucks: "Bettendorf" type cast steel
>
Steve is, as usual, correct, though it is worth noting that these changes were usually not made until a car was repainted, which was often several years (and sometimes many years) after the change went into effect.

Trtucks on all of the stock cars built by the Pennsylvania Car Co. in the late '20s were ARA cast steel with spring planks and Barber lateral motion devices. An exact HO scale reproduction is Tahoe Model Works' TMW109 (110wheels) or TMW 209 (88 wheels). See my model truck presentation at <https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bz_ctrHrDz4wMkpBYUw1RjhmRkE/edit?pli=1>.

Richard Hendrickson