John Barry wrote:
"Working on something else, I came across a picture of a Linde Box Tank http://searcharchives.vancouver.ca/uploads/r/null/9/2/926272/55d377d1-88c4-4a63-8249-8c94b9f8d466-A28817.jpg
and was thinking of how to model what looked like a modified 1932 AAR car with strengthened underframe."

Look again - it's not a "strengthened" underframe!  It's a Duryea cushion underframe.  This photo provides a nice look of the spotting features: deep cross members; slightly extended draft gear, and the unique "lower" mounting of the brake components.  You can even make out the sliding center sill.

Sunshine flyer from Jim Hayes' website:
http://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/sun95a.pdf


Ben Hom

Yes, it is a Duryea underframe, but looking at the photo, I would agree with John that this is not a standard underframe as the outer two cross-bearers are much larger than the inner two and were not typical of those used on the many Duryea underframes under B&O box cars. The Duryea underframe for a 40-ft box car usually had four cross-bearers all of the same size.

Regards,

Bob Witt, Indianapolis, IN

Bob Witt wrote:
"Yes, it is a Duryea underframe, but looking at the photo, I would agree with John that this is not a standard underframe as the outer two cross-bearers are much larger than the inner two and were not typical of those used on the many Duryea underframes under B&O box cars. The Duryea underframe for a 40-ft box car usually had four cross-bearers all of the same size."

I'll concede the first point, but the maddening thing about the Duryea cushion underframes is their variety.  I have doubts that there was any "standard" Duryea cushion underframe.


Ben Hom

Is this not the car for which Stan Rydarowicz makes a kitbash kit? Not a
Sunshine, but certainly a way to get a fairly accurate model.



Schuyler



From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, June 09, 2014 10:28 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] A day late and a dollar short





Something to consider when comparing a 40' XT to other 40' box cars is that
they are usually 70-ton cars which may account for a more substantial
underframe.



Eric N.





Bob Witt wrote:
"Yes, it is a Duryea underframe, but looking at the photo, I would agree
with John that this is not a standard underframe as the outer two
cross-bearers are much larger than the inner two and were not typical of
those used on the many Duryea underframes under B&O box cars. The Duryea
underframe for a 40-ft box car usually had four cross-bearers all of the
same size."

I'll concede the first point, but the maddening thing about the Duryea
cushion underframes is their variety. I have doubts that there was any
"standard" Duryea cushion underframe.

Ben Hom

Carl Roberts wrote:
"Linde car is also available from Stan Rydarowicz. His info is linked off the Sunshine web site."

http://www.sunshinekits.com/stanpage.htmlhttp://www.sunshinekits.com/sunimages/stanlinde.jpg

Be advised that Stan's kit models the 1945-46 cars and NOT CGBX 603, the car in the photo linked in John Barry's original post.  Best starting point for that car would be a 1932 ARA boxcar model with 4/4 Dreadnaught ends and rectangular panel roof.


Ben Hom