Lights out at the "Pub"


Tony Thompson
 

No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Schaumburg <bills@rrmodelcraftsman.com>
Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"

Colleagues,

It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00 p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:

"So Long, and Thanks for all the fish."

Bill Schaumburg


Bill Schneider
 

Absolutely. Bill called me not long ago with the news. However, at the risk of ending up in moderator jail, perhaps more of a shame than a shock…


Regardless, we have lost the one print publication that seemed to be really interested in freight cars and prototype modeling.

 

Bill Schneider

 

From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 1:35 PM
To: STMFC; Espee List; resinfreightcars@...
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"

 

 

No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Schaumburg <bills@...>
> Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
> Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"
>
> Colleagues,
>
> It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00 p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:
>
> "So Long, and Thanks for all the fish."
>
> Bill Schaumburg


Thomas Baker
 

Very sad! I had hope that RMC could stage a comeback. I appreciated the series of articles by Ted Culotta and the tips on modeling structures. Now whither?

Tom Baker
Posted by: Tony Thompson <tony@signaturepress.com>
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ku0a@...
 

Carsten's demise is doubly troubling to me because I had a paid subscription through June 2017. I guess I've lost that money.

Nelson Moyer


Tim O'Connor
 

Maybe Mr. Bill Schaumburg (a fixture at RPM meets) will continue
with some other RPM enterprise?

Think of how the retail world has changed -- "department stores" have
been replaced by big box discounters and specialty stores. Publications
like MR and RMC are kind of the equivalent of dept stores, while RPCYC
and the Speedwitch pubs are the equivalent of specialty stores. Most
STMFC'ers probably want to get straight to the RPM stuff and don't want
to have to walk past aisles of baby clothes, shoes and household goods
to reach the resin kits and superdetail parts!

One chapter ends, and another begins.

Tim O'Connor

No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Schaumburg <bills@rrmodelcraftsman.com>
Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"

Colleagues,

It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00
p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the
following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:

"So Long, and Thanks for all the fish."

Bill Schaumburg


arved_grass
 

Agreed. I'd hoped Carstens would publish the "Essential Freight Car" series as a book. Hopefully someone will take over and do it, but I'm not holding my breath.

Many of the issues with the series were no longer available from Carstens as back-issues, and have "dried up" at used magazine and book vendors like Railpub.com.
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Fri, 8/22/14, Tom Baker bakert@andrews.edu [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 22, 2014, 1:46 PM


 









Very sad! I had hope that RMC could stage a
comeback. I appreciated

the series of articles by Ted Culotta and the tips on
modeling

structures. Now whither?



Tom Baker

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<tony@signaturepress.com>

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Tony Thompson
 

Arved Grass wrote:

 

Agreed. I'd hoped Carstens would publish the "Essential Freight Car" series as a book. Hopefully someone will take over and do it, but I'm not holding my breath.

Many of the issues with the series were no longer available from Carstens as back-issues, and have "dried up" at used magazine and book vendors like Railpub.com.


        It's my understanding that Ted only granted "one-time serial rights" to Carstens, meaning that they only had the rights to use the material once in the magazine. If so, that means that Ted can produce a book if he wishes to do so.

Tony Thompson             Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705         www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on railroad history





 

At least we saw it coming.  Now I’m sorry I tossed the last issue. – Al Westerfield
 

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 12:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"
 
 

No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Schaumburg
> Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
> Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"
>
> Colleagues,
>
> It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00 p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:
>
> "So Long, and Thanks for all the fish."
>
> Bill Schaumburg


naptownprr
 

A very sad day. RMC definitely had a different flavor from MR, and I will miss it. Of course, I am the kind of guy who still likes an actual paper newspaper.

Jim Hunter


Quoting "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@comcast.net [STMFC]" <STMFC@yahoogroups.com>:


Maybe Mr. Bill Schaumburg (a fixture at RPM meets) will continue
with some other RPM enterprise?

Think of how the retail world has changed -- "department stores" have
been replaced by big box discounters and specialty stores. Publications
like MR and RMC are kind of the equivalent of dept stores, while RPCYC
and the Speedwitch pubs are the equivalent of specialty stores. Most
STMFC'ers probably want to get straight to the RPM stuff and don't want
to have to walk past aisles of baby clothes, shoes and household goods
to reach the resin kits and superdetail parts!

One chapter ends, and another begins.

Tim O'Connor


No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

From: Bill Schaumburg <bills@rrmodelcraftsman.com>
Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"

Colleagues,

It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00
p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the
following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:

"So Long, and Thanks for all the fish."

Bill Schaumburg


Dennis Williams
 

That my be just the thing to bring him back. I would take one. Dennis Williams


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On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 11:48 AM PDT Tony Thompson tony@signaturepress.com [STMFC] wrote:

Arved Grass wrote:

Agreed. I'd hoped Carstens would publish the "Essential Freight Car" series as a book. Hopefully someone will take over and do it, but I'm not holding my breath.

Many of the issues with the series were no longer available from Carstens as back-issues, and have "dried up" at used magazine and book vendors like Railpub.com.
It's my understanding that Ted only granted "one-time serial rights" to Carstens, meaning that they only had the rights to use the material once in the magazine. If so, that means that Ted can produce a book if he wishes to do so.

Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@signaturepress.com
Publishers of books on railroad history




arved_grass
 

Should still be on the 'stands if you care to correct that mistake. :-)
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Fri, 8/22/14, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@frontier.com [STMFC] <STMFC@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Subject: Re: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"
To: STMFC@yahoogroups.com
Date: Friday, August 22, 2014, 3:05 PM


 













At least we saw it coming.  Now I’m sorry I tossed
the last issue. –
Al Westerfield


 

From: mailto:STMFC@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 12:34 PM
To: STMFC ;
Espee
List ; resinfreightcars@yahoogroups.com


Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the
"Pub"
 
 


No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony
Thompson

Begin forwarded
message:

> From: Bill
Schaumburg
<bills@rrmodelcraftsman.com>
>
Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM
PDT
> Subject: Lights out at the
"Pub"
>
>
Colleagues,
>
> It
has been a great run and it is lights out at
Carstens Pub by 5:00 p.m. I will close out my term here of
nearly 38 years with
the following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time
I came to
RMC:
>
> "So
Long, and Thanks for all the fish."
>
>
Bill Schaumburg












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Sad day.

The offficial company statement came out yesterday:

"Carstens Publications has announced that negotiations are taking place with several companies regarding the future publishing of Railfan & Railroad, Railroad Model Craftsman and Flying Models magazines. All involved ask for your patience at this time."  Steve Barry, Editor, Railfan & Railroad, 973/383-3355
.
It's pretty certain that both RMC and R&R will continue with other publishers. The final form remains to be seen.

The RMC staffers were genuinely interested in the prototype and freight car modeling, as Bill mentioned. I've talked to a couple of the editors during the past weeks and each talked about about freight car pieces as their editorial highlights. There are scenarios on the table that would keep some of the current staff, and I hope that happens. When Hal built that building in the 1970s it was a castle of publishing.  It will be tough to see the building dark.

Mike Del Vecchio






-----Original Message-----
From: 'Bill Schneider' bschneider424@... [STMFC]
To: STMFC
Sent: Fri, Aug 22, 2014 1:45 pm
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"

 
Absolutely. Bill called me not long ago with the news. However, at the risk of ending up in moderator jail, perhaps more of a shame than a shock…

Regardless, we have lost the one print publication that seemed to be really interested in freight cars and prototype modeling.
 
Bill Schneider
 
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@yahoog roups.com]
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 1:35 PM
To: STMFC; Espee List; resinfreightcars@...
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"
 
 
No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Schaumburg <bills@...>
> Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
> Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"
>
> Colleagues,
>
> It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00 p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:
>
> "So Long, and Th anks for all the fish."
>
> Bill Schaumburg


Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Al and Friends,

The June RMC issue just showed up at my local Barnes & Noble a week ago. I presume that is the last one. You might check around.

My B&N was pretty good about stocking HORNBY MAGAZINE and MODEL RAIL until this summer. Then they missed several issues. I like HORNBY and MODEL RAIL because they showcase great modeling and have many small-sized layouts. Occasionally I buy these if there is something I can use, especially British narrow gauge (I can't resist those tiny trains.)

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff

On 8/22/14 3:05 PM, 'Al and Patricia Westerfield' westerfieldalfred@... [STMFC] wrote:
 

At least we saw it coming.  Now I’m sorry I tossed the last issue. – Al Westerfield
 
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2014 12:34 PM
Subject: [STMFC] Fwd: Lights out at the "Pub"
 
 

No comment need be added. What a shock and a shame. Tony Thompson

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Bill Schaumburg
> Date: August 22, 2014 9:31:29 AM PDT
> Subject: Lights out at the "Pub"
>
> Colleagues,
>
> It has been a great run and it is lights out at Carstens Pub by 5:00 p.m. I will close out my term here of nearly 38 years with the following from Doug Adams, who wrote it around the time I came to RMC:
>
> "So Long, and Thanks for all the fish."
>
> Bill Schaumburg



riverman_vt@...
 

    In speaking personally with Phyllis Carstens a week ago today I suspected we would see

only another issue or two at best. The heck of it is my understanding, though this was not from

Phyllis is that the July and August issues have been completed and ready to go to the printer...

....if the funds were there to cover the costs. Of all the present model railroad publications

this is, to me, the greatest loss. I have much prefered it to anything else avaialble and hope

some additional rumors about an offer being made come to fruition. It would be nice to see a

light coming out of the tunnel.....with some additional "Essential Freight Cars" of Ted Culotta's

choosing behind it.

 

Just my take on the matter, Don Valentine


Charles Peck
 

If Ted retains future rights to his articles, he could publish his own collection.
That is if RMC only paid for one-time publishing rights.
Chuck Peck


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 at 3:32 PM, Dennis Williams pennsy6200@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
 



That my be just the thing to bring him back. I would take one. Dennis Williams

------------------------------


On Fri, Aug 22, 2014 11:48 AM PDT Tony Thompson tony@... [STMFC] wrote:

>Arved Grass wrote:
>
>> Agreed. I'd hoped Carstens would publish the "Essential Freight Car" series as a book. Hopefully someone will take over and do it, but I'm not holding my breath.
>>
>> Many of the issues with the series were no longer available from Carstens as back-issues, and have "dried up" at used magazine and book vendors like Railpub.com.
>>
>
> It's my understanding that Ted only granted "one-time serial rights" to Carstens, meaning that they only had the rights to use the material once in the magazine. If so, that means that Ted can produce a book if he wishes to do so.
>
>Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
>2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
>(510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
>Publishers of books on railroad history
>
>
>
>



Anspach Denny <danspachmd@...>
 

I am truly sad about RMC’s demise.  I have truly admired, valued, and even reveled in RMCs devotion to prototype and kit modeling, and for many years now, the magazine has still offered the rich bedtime reading of serious model railroading  that its surviving rival has long eschewed. 

That its good editor showed up as an enthusiastic participant at so many prototype meets was only additive. Right off the top of my head, RMC’s ground breaking, if not revolutionary (in railroad modeling publications)  publication of cascading articles on PFE Reefers, line-side industries,  Essential freight cars, Chicago railroad bridges (a favorite!), etc. etc. IMHO was instrumental in giving the whole landscape of prototype modeling a measure of new meaning and new life- the results of which we are enjoying today.  

Although I have received vibes of Carstens financial difficulty for now several years (authors not being paid), I smelled a rat when inadvertently my subscription ran out last Fall, and despite eMails, etc. I received no interest at all in effecting a renewal- none.

When growing up, and loving model trains, my connection to the hobby was first and foremost with THE MODEL CRAFTSMAN, the direct forerunner to RMC as we have known it.  I still have pleasantly imprinted in memory so many photos and advertisements from those early years. What fond memories… 

I do have a complete set of both MC and RMC from its inception in 1933 into recent years, and they still offer some  interesting and absorbing reading. 

I have been paying more attention to the new on-line railroad modeling journal (where they recently published the news that their readership numbers were now greater than RMC and climbing vs. MR), but was completely stumped by the editor’s  advocating  -hear this- that we need new models produced with less attention to fine detailing  “because no one sees them on a layout” (this view brings to mind US Senator Roman Hruska's  speech advocating the nomination of a mediocre judge because mediocre people also deserve representation!).   Unless I read it wrong, the Luddites seem to be still out and about.

Bill Schaumburg deserved a lot of kudos for his long tenure at RMC, and fortunately, the demise comes at his retirement.  I am always very sorry for those left holding the bag, either with jobs suddenly gone, or with owed money never to be received.  

I join others in hoping that Bill will continue to show up at our meets.

Denny 

  

     
Denny S. Anspach MD
Sacramento





Malcolm H. Houck
 

I must agree with Doc. Denny with his point about the richness of RMC articles and the focus there upon modeling. In reflecting upon the apparent demise of RMC I realize that it has been back issues of RMC to which I regularly refer, both for modeling articles or simply the comfort of rereading any of a number of other engaging articles. On the other hand, that other competing and now surviving monthly print publication, is good only for a single read, and sometimes not even in any depth but for a scan of advertisements to see what is being newly produced.
 
Mal Houck


Clark Propst
 

Very sad to hear about such a hobby institution failing.
 
Recently I got an email from Bill, bless his heart, he have caught wind of a project I was working on and sheepishly asked if I would do an article for them. I had to reply that wasn’t going to happen because I hadn’t been paid of the last article.
I don’t know who made the decision to not paid their contributors, but it definitely caused a downward spiral. Bill would be doing his best to drum up business at RPM meets. Guys would say they’d heard that they didn’t pay in a timely manner. I’d reluctantly confirm what they’d heard and you could see those guys turn away from Bill’s efforts....
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Jack Burgess
 

I know that MRH would publish the same types of prototype articles if Joe received them...

 

Jack Burgess



Denny wrote:
I am truly sad about RMC’s demise.  I have truly admired, valued, and even reveled in RMCs devotion to prototype and kit modeling, and for many years now, the magazine has still offered the rich bedtime reading of serious model railroading  that its surviving rival has long eschewed. 

 

That its good editor showed up as an enthusiastic participant at so many prototype meets was only additive. Right off the top of my head, RMC’s ground breaking, if not revolutionary (in railroad modeling publications)  publication of cascading articles on PFE Reefers, line-side industries,  Essential freight cars, Chicago railroad bridges (a favorite!), etc. etc. IMHO was instrumental in giving the whole landscape of prototype modeling a measure of new meaning and new life- the results of which we are enjoying today. [snip}


A&Y Dave in MD
 

Exactly. Rick's article on scratch building a Southern Ks1 class consolidation was very popular. I imagine a series on steam era freight cars would be welcome to balance all the modern freight car weathering articles they seem to get. MRH does tend to favor big color photos though, but that may be incidental.

Dave

Sent from Dave Bott' iPhone

On Aug 23, 2014, at 10:21 AM, "'Jack Burgess' jack@... [STMFC]" <STMFC@...> wrote:

 

I know that MRH would publish the same types of prototype articles if Joe received them...

 

Jack Burgess



Denny wrote:
I am truly sad about RMC’s demise.  I have truly admired, valued, and even reveled in RMCs devotion to prototype and kit modeling, and for many years now, the magazine has still offered the rich bedtime reading of serious model railroading  that its surviving rival has long eschewed. 

 

That its good editor showed up as an enthusiastic participant at so many prototype meets was only additive. Right off the top of my head, RMC’s ground breaking, if not revolutionary (in railroad modeling publications)  publication of cascading articles on PFE Reefers, line-side industries,  Essential freight cars, Chicago railroad bridges (a favorite!), etc. etc. IMHO was instrumental in giving the whole landscape of prototype modeling a measure of new meaning and new life- the results of which we are enjoying today. [snip}