main@RealSTMFC.groups.io | The final word on Gerry Glow?

Pierre Oliver

#127180

Just saw this on http://nasg.org/News/index.htm


Jerry Glow has officially closed his decal business. Any remaining orders for which he has received payment will be processed, but no new orders are accepted. If you have an oustanding order, you may wish to contact Jerry to make sure he indeed has your order.

Hmmmmmm.

-- 
Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

Douglas Harding

#127198

Yep and equally distressing on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he does the M&StL decals for KJ’s Trains.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Tim O'Connor

#127200

Doug

How IRONIC that 3D printing advancements are making virtually any
freight car you want available while lettering is fast becoming a
very scarce commodity!

Apropos of nothing, but I watched a talk on C-Span the other day about
the use of digital design software (AutoDesk) to design biological structures
(in this case, auto-designed genomic viruses to attack cancer cells) that
promise to create medicines that work with only ONE person (based on your own
DNA) but will be safe, completely effective and presently can be manufactured for
less than $1,000 for a life saving treatment. The virus structures are 3-D printed
and can't even be seen without an extremely powerful microscope!

Tim O'

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Yep and equally distressing on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he does the M&StL decals for KJ�s Trains.

Doug Harding
www.iowacentralrr.org

al_westerfield

#127206

Ron and I lived close by; we visited each other’s layouts. We started business at almost the same time and he did the vast majority of my decals. If time was short I’d drive to his house to pick them up as soon as the ink was dry. He told me a few years ago retirement was getting close. – Al Westerfield

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Yep and equally distressing on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he does the M&StL decals for KJ’s Trains.

Doug Harding

www.iowacentralrr.org

Rex Racer

#127227

I HOPE that he follows through with this statement. He has had my money and order sinc eht beginning of the year and no longer responds to emails to even attempt to offer a reason he hasn't shipped or returned the money. As I understand, I am one of the luck ones...others have had unfilled orders for over two years. I'm sorry that he's closing his business, especially since I would much rather have the decals, but he has apparently quit running his business over a year ago...Jeff Maurer
Sacramento Ca

Andy Harman

#127252

At 03:03 PM 8/24/2014 -0500, you wrote:
Yep and equally distressing on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he does the M&StL decals for KJ s Trains.Ouch.  I've been buying and seeking a lot of those indie decal sheets lately, particularly Mark Vaughn and another guy who was selling a lot of different sets at St. Louis last year.  If they're using Rail Graphics, hopefully they can find someone else.

In the 15 years(?) since the demise of ALPS, I'm astonished no other printer manufacturer has stepped up with white ink capability.  I've heard various experiments of putting white ink into black cartridges and basically tricking the printer, but I have no ability to do that.  So many of the decals I need are one shot - reporting marks for a single car, data and dates... I'm either fudging the lettering or forced to cut out a numeral that is about 2 millimeters square and paste it into a string of them and hope they don't all float away when I try to set them.  I really need my own printer if I'm ever going to become a decent freight car modeler for my era.

Andy

Andy Harman

#127255

At 05:06 PM 8/24/2014 -0400, you wrote:
How IRONIC that 3D printing advancements are making virtually any
freight car you want available while lettering is fast becoming a
very scarce commodity!Yep.  I was at the local computer superstore a couple weeks ago, and they had a bunch of 3d printers for sale, from $500 on up to $3500.  None of them anywhere near fine enough for HO scale modeling, but it's just a matter of time.  I am going to have to learn a 3D cad program like it or not.  As a programmer I am one of the world's worst software users....  I can't do more than three clicks without screaming insults at the programmer who wrote a thing.  But if it means at some point I can shoot out my own one-off detail parts, I will just have to force myself and maybe start stashing chill pills.

promise to create medicines that work with only ONE person (based on your own
DNA) but will be safe, completely effective and presently can be manufactured for
less than $1,000 for a life saving treatment. The virus structures are 3-D printed
and can't even be seen without an extremely powerful microscope!I have a 12 year old nephew who is blind in one eye, almost blind in the other eye, due to a genetic degenerative disease.  I forget what it's called.  I've predicted that within my lifetime, Grayson will be able to see better than me, and it will be affordable.  Just print him up some new retinas, schedule the installation and off we go.

Andy

arved_grass

#127260

IIRC, at least on of them printed decals on ALPS printers. Lack of drivers for current OSs and the discontinuance of supplies by ALPS may have figured into the business plan of these companies. ALPS announced withdrawl of their last model (MD-5000) on 31. May 2010 (that is, the announcement was earlier, but the printer was withdrawn from the market on that date). Supplies will be withdrawn on 31. May 2015 - less than a year from now.

When your livelihood depends on obsolete equipment and deminishing supplies of raw materials, there's little hope for continued prosperity.

We are about 10 years overdue for a replacement of those old ALPS printers, and there is little interest in white inkjet ink. However, there is hope:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45423-white-inkjet-printing-on-clear-decal/

However, the project seem to have mired in patent issues as of 2013. This was specific to certain Epson printers (an Epson SX-115 was the test mule). I'm certain this was because some printers use dyes rather than pigment in their ink, and I'm not sure what the SX-115 uses. There are frequent questions about the usee on Canon printers, but the answer has been (a) no, it's for specific Epson printers only, and (b) the original poster is not at liberty to discuss details about the white ink. If you search that forum, you'll learn all I know about it. I can't find anything anywhere else on the possibility of inkjet or laserprinting white on clear decal film.

Like 3D printing, the issue is far greater than just us STMFC modelers, but time is running out for those printing on ALPS printers.

Respectfully,
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 4:03 PM


  









       Yep and equally distressing
 on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of
 Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of
 decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he
 does the M&StL decals for KJ’s Trains.  Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org
   









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BRIAN PAUL EHNI

#127263

At one time there was discussion on using white toner in OKI laser color
printers.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From:  STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Reply-To:  STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Date:  Monday, August 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM
To:  STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject:  Re: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?







IIRC, at least on of them printed decals on ALPS printers. Lack of drivers
for current OSs and the discontinuance of supplies by ALPS may have figured
into the business plan of these companies. ALPS announced withdrawl of their
last model (MD-5000) on 31. May 2010 (that is, the announcement was earlier,
but the printer was withdrawn from the market on that date). Supplies will
be withdrawn on 31. May 2015 - less than a year from now.

When your livelihood depends on obsolete equipment and deminishing supplies
of raw materials, there's little hope for continued prosperity.

We are about 10 years overdue for a replacement of those old ALPS printers,
and there is little interest in white inkjet ink. However, there is hope:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45423-white-inkjet-print
ing-on-clear-decal/

However, the project seem to have mired in patent issues as of 2013. This
was specific to certain Epson printers (an Epson SX-115 was the test mule).
I'm certain this was because some printers use dyes rather than pigment in
their ink, and I'm not sure what the SX-115 uses. There are frequent
questions about the usee on Canon printers, but the answer has been (a) no,
it's for specific Epson printers only, and (b) the original poster is not at
liberty to discuss details about the white ink. If you search that forum,
you'll learn all I know about it. I can't find anything anywhere else on the
possibility of inkjet or laserprinting white on clear decal film.

Like 3D printing, the issue is far greater than just us STMFC modelers, but
time is running out for those printing on ALPS printers.

Respectfully,
------------------------
Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

--------------------------------------------

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On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 4:03 PM












 Yep and equally distressing
 on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of
 Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of
 decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he
 does the M&StL decals for KJ¹s Trains.  Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org










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BRIAN PAUL EHNI

#127264

The ALPS¹s ability to print white was just one positive aspect; the ability
to print real metallic gold and silver were others.

Thanks!
--

Brian Ehni

From:  STMFC List <STMFC@...>
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Date:  Monday, August 25, 2014 at 1:02 PM
To:  STMFC List <STMFC@...>
Subject:  Re: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?







IIRC, at least on of them printed decals on ALPS printers. Lack of drivers
for current OSs and the discontinuance of supplies by ALPS may have figured
into the business plan of these companies. ALPS announced withdrawl of their
last model (MD-5000) on 31. May 2010 (that is, the announcement was earlier,
but the printer was withdrawn from the market on that date). Supplies will
be withdrawn on 31. May 2015 - less than a year from now.

When your livelihood depends on obsolete equipment and deminishing supplies
of raw materials, there's little hope for continued prosperity.

We are about 10 years overdue for a replacement of those old ALPS printers,
and there is little interest in white inkjet ink. However, there is hope:

http://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/45423-white-inkjet-print
ing-on-clear-decal/

However, the project seem to have mired in patent issues as of 2013. This
was specific to certain Epson printers (an Epson SX-115 was the test mule).
I'm certain this was because some printers use dyes rather than pigment in
their ink, and I'm not sure what the SX-115 uses. There are frequent
questions about the usee on Canon printers, but the answer has been (a) no,
it's for specific Epson printers only, and (b) the original poster is not at
liberty to discuss details about the white ink. If you search that forum,
you'll learn all I know about it. I can't find anything anywhere else on the
possibility of inkjet or laserprinting white on clear decal film.

Like 3D printing, the issue is far greater than just us STMFC modelers, but
time is running out for those printing on ALPS printers.

Respectfully,
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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Sun, 8/24/14, 'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]
<STMFC@...> wrote:

Subject: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Sunday, August 24, 2014, 4:03 PM












 Yep and equally distressing
 on the same page the announcement that owner Ron Roberts of
 Rail Graphics is planning to retire. Ron prints a lot of
 decals for those small independent decal creators. I know he
 does the M&StL decals for KJ¹s Trains.  Doug Hardingwww.iowacentralrr.org










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arved_grass

#127268

Well, if you're more comfortable writting code than learning 3D CAD, I'm sure you'll be able to find a printer that understands G-code!

:-)

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Arved Grass
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Mon, 8/25/14, Andy Harman gsgondola@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: Re: [STMFC] Re: The final word on Gerry Glow?
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Monday, August 25, 2014, 1:42 PM


  









       At 05:06 PM 8/24/2014 -0400, you wrote:

 >How IRONIC that 3D printing advancements are making
 virtually any

 >freight car you want available while lettering is fast
 becoming a

 >very scarce commodity!



 Yep.  I was at the local computer superstore a couple weeks
 ago, and they

 had a bunch of 3d printers for sale, from $500 on up to
 $3500.  None of

 them anywhere near fine enough for HO scale modeling, but
 it's just a

 matter of time.  I am going to have to learn a 3D cad
 program like it or

 not.  As a programmer I am one of the world's worst
 software users....  I

 can't do more than three clicks without screaming
 insults at the programmer

 who wrote a thing.  But if it means at some point I can
 shoot out my own

 one-off detail parts, I will just have to force myself and
 maybe start 

 stashing chill pills.



 >promise to create medicines that work with only ONE
 person (based on your own

 >DNA) but will be safe, completely effective and
 presently can be

 >manufactured for

 >less than $1,000 for a life saving treatment. The virus
 structures are 3-D

 >printed

 >and can't even be seen without an extremely powerful
 microscope!



 I have a 12 year old nephew who is blind in one eye, almost
 blind in the

 other eye, due to a genetic degenerative disease.  I forget
 what it's

 called.  I've predicted that within my lifetime, Grayson
 will be able to

 see better than me, and it will be affordable.  Just print
 him up some new

 retinas, schedule the installation and off we go.



 Andy













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Ed

#127366

Every single reply has included the entire previous post so I am trying an experiment by using the reply via web post and checking the post to see what is included. So far, I only see Avred's latest post and not the rest. It will be interesting to see what actually comes out. Having lengthy messages previously viewed attached to a response makes for a VERY boring read!

Ed Robinson