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Clark Propst
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know/have known guys that model multi-eras or gauges. To me it’s always been
like fighting a war on two fronts. Requires double the finances and
effort.
Choosing 60/61 for Allied Mills does have one advantage...and only one so
far...I get to model some freight cars I wouldn’t have the opportunity with my
main layout’s 54 date. This morning, in the time between waking and getting up,
it dawned on me (pun intended) I could model one of the CNW box cars with the
large billboard C&NW lettering. A quick look at a couple RMJ 37 modified
articles found a photo of a CMO car I probably have all the pieces needed to
build ; ))
How’d I come up with the idea of modeling one of the CNW billboard cars?
Really want to know? I ordered another car off eBay, a Milwaukee Kadee PS2
covered hopper. I was mulling over what other covered hoppers I could buy while
lying in bed. I was thinking of Intermountain’s 1958 cu ft C hopper, I have a
photo of a M&StL PS1 at Allied Mills, I could paint a 1958 in the scheme
used after they all were refurbished in 60. Also have a photo with a CNW 1958
being transferred to the Milwaukee here in town, could just buy one RTR (yeah
right), then I thought, the CNW applied billboard lettering to those cars. Maybe
I could do a box car? I’ve always like those. Most were PS1s, I don’t have an
undec kit, but I do have one for a 1937 modified car. Time to get out of bed and
look at some books/mags. Most of the CNW cars I’ve seen with that lettering had
solid sills. Not a big mod, but a pain. Sure enough, the PS1s in that paint I
found photos of did. But this CMO car, built in the late 40s had sill tabs like
the model, even sported a Viking roof.
After I click on send, I’m going to study Ed Hawkin’s 37 modified info list
for the other appliances applied to the CMO cars, like running boards, hand
brakes, etc. and compile a BOM for building my model. It’s important to place
all the extra needed parts in the kit box, so you don’t have to do this research
over when time comes to build the kit, or find you’ve used some of the parts on
other projects. I have 6-8 builds ahead of this one...maybe it’s jump to the
head of the line now that the juices are flowing?
Clark
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Gary Roe
Clark, I was going to write that if you start on it now, you could have it done by Naperville; but knowing you, I better say if you start on it now, you could have it done by tonight's operating session. gary roe quincy, illinois From: "cepropst@q.com [STMFC]" To: STMFC Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:34 AM Subject: [STMFC] Modeling two eras I
know/have known guys that model multi-eras or gauges. To me it’s always been
like fighting a war on two fronts. Requires double the finances and
effort.
Choosing 60/61 for Allied Mills does have one advantage...and only one so
far...I get to model some freight cars I wouldn’t have the opportunity with my
main layout’s 54 date. This morning, in the time between waking and getting up,
it dawned on me (pun intended) I could model one of the CNW box cars with the
large billboard C&NW lettering. A quick look at a couple RMJ 37 modified
articles found a photo of a CMO car I probably have all the pieces needed to
build ; ))
How’d I come up with the idea of modeling one of the CNW billboard cars?
Really want to know? I ordered another car off eBay, a Milwaukee Kadee PS2
covered hopper. I was mulling over what other covered hoppers I could buy while
lying in bed. I was thinking of Intermountain’s 1958 cu ft C hopper, I have a
photo of a M&StL PS1 at Allied Mills, I could paint a 1958 in the scheme
used after they all were refurbished in 60. Also have a photo with a CNW 1958
being transferred to the Milwaukee here in town, could just buy one RTR (yeah
right), then I thought, the CNW applied billboard lettering to those cars. Maybe
I could do a box car? I’ve always like those. Most were PS1s, I don’t have an
undec kit, but I do have one for a 1937 modified car. Time to get out of bed and
look at some books/mags. Most of the CNW cars I’ve seen with that lettering had
solid sills. Not a big mod, but a pain. Sure enough, the PS1s in that paint I
found photos of did. But this CMO car, built in the late 40s had sill tabs like
the model, even sported a Viking roof.
After I click on send, I’m going to study Ed Hawkin’s 37 modified info list
for the other appliances applied to the CMO cars, like running boards, hand
brakes, etc. and compile a BOM for building my model. It’s important to place
all the extra needed parts in the kit box, so you don’t have to do this research
over when time comes to build the kit, or find you’ve used some of the parts on
other projects. I have 6-8 builds ahead of this one...maybe it’s jump to the
head of the line now that the juices are flowing?
Clark
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Clark Propst
Thu Sep 18, 2014 6:49 am (PDT) . Posted by:"gary roe" wabrrClark,
I was going to write that if you start on it now, you could have it done by Naperville; but knowing you, I better say if you start on it now, you could have it done by tonight's operating session. gary roe quincy, illinois Gary,
I could easily have the car done by Naperville, or my next ops, in two
weeks, but I don’t have the correct? hand brake. Ed has this series
(21xxx-22xxx) hand brakes blank on his list, but I have Ureco down in my notes.
Details Associates makes a later version I’ll have to find.
Two errors in my original post.
1- The M&StL covered hopper in my photo is a PS2, not a PS1
2- the CMO cars were built in 42, not the late 40s.
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Ed Hawkins
On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:03 PM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
After a long time looking I was able to locate a diagram covering these CMO cars. CMO 21400-22414 (even), 508 cars built ca. 4-42 by GATC (Build Order 2885) had Viking roofs, 5-5 Dreadnaught Ends, 10-panel riveted sides, Youngstown doors ("prewar" style like the door offered by InterMountain), Ajax hand brakes, Apex r/b & b/s, 8-rung side ladders, shorter (at the bottom) 7-rung end ladders having the same rung spacing as the sides, 50-ton double truss spring plankless trucks, cast iron wheels (possibly upgraded to steel depending on time), and push-pole pockets. I have seen just two photos from this series, 21824 taken in March 1958 by W.C. Whittaker and 22366 taken in 1961 by Paul Dunn (Richard Burg collection). Both photos show the cars after receiving billboard C&NW stencils above the reporting marks, so the lettering was vastly different than when new. Ureco hand brakes were on CMO 20000-20048 (even), express box cars, and 20050-20398 (even). These series were part of a larger order of 700 cars (CMO 20000-21398 even) built by ACF ca. 10-41. Clark, you can now proceed with your model with assurance that the Ajax hand brake is correct. :) Regards, Ed Hawkins |
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golden1014
Clark,
I've given up on trying to be disciplined and have decided to model all eras, scales and gauges. And all locales too. It's easier. Of course I'm just an armchair modeler in N, S, TT, G, No. 1, and so forth but that doesn't matter. I do have a sweet pair of brass P48 ARA trucks that's begging for model to be kingpinned to. Perhaps a steam era 1937 box car might make an appearance at The 'Ville. John Golden O'Fallon, IL |
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Clark Propst
Thanks for taking my hint Ed!! Very much appreciated.
Clark Propst
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I did that back in the 1980's in Columbus OH. We did the Ohio State Fair layout so I spent tons of time and money on 70's era freight cars and diesels. I high nosed about 15 SR diesels, before Cannon had the kits out! They turned out pretty well and made the pages of MR and the cover of the NMRA Bulletin.......BUT Sold all that stuff on eBay, never again Fenton Wells 5 Newberry Lane |
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John Larkin <jflarkingrc@...>
Lot of good ideas out there but there has to be one oddball in the bunch and I guess I'm it. I looked at a drawing I'd gotten from Lima in high school of a NYC 4-8-6 and have finally decided that a well-run steam road (i.e., N&W) or outstanding steam designs could be financially justified for years past the end of steam on most roads. In fact, the basis is a 1969 era steam road running home built 4-8-6 and 4-6-8-6 locomotives along with fleets of engines that were bought second hand from major steam roads and were still in good shape, or in a few cases, overhauled engines that just never turned a wheel, all of which means very cheap capital costs. Thus I can have my NYC 4-8-4 along with a N&W A and throw in some Alleghenys for good measure - this is a road
with steep grades in the western part but fairly flat grades on the east, giving long runs for both power and speed. Bypassing Chicago helps as does access to coal mines online, and a good industrial base with a mix of agriculture makes for a totally imaginary but fun road. I've actually got a start on a 1.6" scale 4-8-6 but it'll take some time and I need to get both the HO and the 7.5" gauge track built. All I need to do now is live to 120 and I'll have it all done, but I'll probably be committed by
then..... John Larkin On Friday, September 19, 2014 8:55 AM, "golden1014@... [STMFC]" wrote: Clark, I've given up on trying to be disciplined and have decided to model all eras, scales and gauges. And all locales too. It's easier. Of course I'm just an armchair modeler in N, S, TT, G, No. 1, and so forth but that doesn't matter. I do have a sweet pair of brass P48 ARA trucks that's begging for model to be kingpinned to. Perhaps a steam era 1937 box car might make an appearance at The 'Ville. John Golden O'Fallon, IL
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