CNW Accurail gondola
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frograbbit602
Current project is an Accurail CNW steel, high side, fixed ends gondola with number 69763. The kit number is "limited run for Trainfest 2008". A photo of the gondola with the number used by Accurail appears in the 1949 - 1950 Car Builders Cyclopedia on page 163. My problem is the ends. The kit has four dreadnaught ribs on ends while in the photo the car has ribs that have a wye on each end. What I call a "bow tie" design. If you have the Accurail kit this rib pattern is on the inside of the ends rather than on the outside. I am wondering if there is a kit that has the correct ends that can be harvested or copied via mold and casting to be used on this car. Thanks in advance. |
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Tony Thompson
Lester Breuer wrote:
Lester, both the ends you describe are Dreadnaught ends, but they face in opposite directions. There was a belief among some railroad mechanical officers that the stiffer side of the Dreadnaught end was the "big bulge" side, so they faced it inward in gondolas. (Stiffness = resistance to denting.) Others faced the big bulges outward, as was USUALLY done on box cars also. But some roads reversed the Dreadnaughts on box cars, too. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <frograbbit602@...> wrote : "... If you have the Accurail kit this rib pattern is on the inside of the ends rather than on the outside. I am wondering if there is a kit that has the correct ends that can be harvested or copied via mold and casting to be used on this car. Thanks in advance. Lester, I think you answered your own question. As Tony said, this is the same pattern seen from the other side of the sheet, and IIRC (its been a few years) I used the same surface file to generate both sides of the end, so just use the kit ends to build the patterns. Admittedly, the inside surface is one rib short, to allow room for the car weight, but with two ends in the kit you should be able to build one pattern. I'm not aware of any kit that modeled the "inside-out" ends. Dennis Storzek |
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Tom Madden
The end for the DT&I gon Shake 'n Take project from a few years back had that configuration, but had only three ribs. I think I still have the patterns for those somewhere in my casting studio, but I don't know if they're tall enough for the Accurail gon. Greg??? Tom Madden |
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Lester The proto 2000 Greenville gondola KIT came with two sets of ends, actually same end but lettered on the other side, to model the different variations I have tons of extras in my parts box. I'm not sure if they could be modified to work. If you'd like a few, contact me off list
Brian J. Carlson, P.E. Cheektowaga NY prrk41361_at_yahoo.com (replace the _at_ with @)
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The end for the DT&I gon Shake 'n Take project from a few years back had that configuration, but had only three ribs. I think I still have the patterns for those somewhere in my casting studio, but I don't know if they're tall enough for the Accurail gon. Greg???
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Benjamin Hom
Lester Breuer asked:
"Current project is an Accurail CNW steel, high side, fixed ends gondola with number 69763. The kit number is "limited run for Trainfest 2008". A photo of the gondola with the number used by Accurail appears in the 1949 - 1950 Car Builders Cyclopedia on page 163. My problem is the ends. The kit has four dreadnaught ribs on ends while in the photo the car has ribs that have a wye on each end. What I call a "bow tie" design. If you have the Accurail kit this rib pattern is on the inside of the ends rather than on the outside. I am wondering if there is a kit that has the correct ends that can be harvested or copied via mold and casting to be used on this car. Thanks in advance." Tom Madden replied: "The end for the DT&I gon Shake 'n Take project from a few years back had that configuration, but had only three ribs. I think I still have the patterns for those somewhere in my casting studio, but I don't know if they're tall enough for the Accurail gon." Doubt it as they're sized to fit the Athearn 50 ft gon. How about the Detail Associates #6221 Dreadnaught end from their GS gon kit? http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6221 Ben Hom |
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destorzek@...
---In STMFC@..., <b.hom@...> wrote : "Doubt it as they're sized to fit the Athearn 50 ft gon. How about the Detail Associates #6221 Dreadnaught end from their GS gon kit? http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6221 Ben Hom" Now that I have parts in hand, it looks like the upper portion of the kit end could be cut free, turned around, and reattached to the lower portion with the weight retaining ledge, gussets, and poling pockets. Unfortunately the inside surface of the end is missing the bottom most rib, since it goes the floor, which is raised to conceal the weight. An extra set of ends would provide more ribs to splice in,and we sell the parts sprue, No. 147, 148, or 149 depending on color. See: Accurail Parts and Details - Order Online Dennis Storzek
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Greg Martin
tom,
I am not sure either way. I can check them this weekend and get back to the
list.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 10/14/2014 10:14:04 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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frograbbit602
I asked: "Current project is an Accurail CNW steel, high side, fixed ends gondola with number 69763. The kit number is "limited run for Trainfest 2008". A photo of the gondola with the number used by Accurail appears in the 1949 - 1950 Car Builders Cyclopedia on page 163. My problem is the ends. The kit has four dreadnaught ribs on ends while in the photo the car has ribs that have a wye on each end. What I call a "bow tie" design. If you have the Accurail kit this rib pattern is on the inside of the ends rather than on the outside. I am wondering if there is a Tom Madden replied: "The end for the DT&I gon Shake 'n Take project from a few years back had that configuration, but had only three ribs. I think I still have the patterns for those somewhere in my casting studio, but I don't know if they're tall enough for the Accurail gon." Doubt it as they're sized to fit the Athearn 50 ft gon. How about the Detail Associates #6221 Dreadnaught end from their GS gon kit? http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6221 Ben Hom |
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frograbbit602
I asked: "Current project is an Accurail CNW steel, high side, fixed ends gondola with number 69763. A photo of the gondola with the number used by Accurail appears in the 1949 - 1950 Car Builders Cyclopedia on page 163. My problem is the ends. Ben Hom replied: How about the Detail Associates #6221 Dreadnaught end from their GS gon kit? http://www.walthers.com/exec/productinfo/229-6221 I ordered the ends and I was pleased to find that when combined with the bottom portion of the Accurail end one could produce an end with " inside out " ribs matching the photo. Ben, Thank You. And, Thank You to all others that made suggestions to solve my problem. In writing this response I believe I accidentally hit the "send" button which sent a partially written portion of this response. My apology to the group for this. Lester Breuer |
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Greg Martin
All,
I checked the DT&I ends from the SHAKE N TAKE clinic and they are too
narrow and too short. The height would be and easy fix if you're like me and
don't mind fiddling; however, you need two ends to create one end that is long
enough and although it is not a tough fix not one that most would want to take
on if there truly is an alternative.
Greg Martin
Eventually all things merge into one and a river runs through
it. Norman Maclean In a message dated 10/23/2014 4:31:09 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
STMFC@... writes:
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