easy off? stripping P2K cars
ed_mines
Is easy off an oven cleaner? Any other experience stripping P2K cars? Ed Mines |
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Benjamin Hom
Ed Mines asked:
"Is easy off an oven cleaner?" Yes. http://www.easyoff.us/ I use oven cleaner as a stripper of last resort to deal with particularly stubborn paint. "Any other experience stripping P2K cars?" 90% isopropyl alcohol does the trick. I stay away from brake fluid for newer production models and use it only on legacy models such as Athearn Blue Box, MDC, etc. Ben Hom |
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Yes EasyOff is a brand of oven cleaner. But I have had no experience in using it to strip freight cars of any kind. However a quick search turned up this testimony http://www.ipms-css.org/?page_id=35
Doug Harding
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Robert Heninger
Guys, Bruce said Easy LIFT Off, not Easy Off. Although I have read about using Easy Off to strip models, I have also read that it can do funky things to the plastic. I have no personal experience using oven cleaner to remove paint from models.
Here is a link to the Testors ELO page:
Regards, Bob Heninger Minot, ND
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Schleigh Mike
Group---- The EasyOff Oven Cleaner reminded me that 40 or so years ago I was using straight lye to strip AHM E unit models. Worked great in the chem lab at school. Caustic solutions have typically been effective paint strippers. Do have to play-it-safe. As always test it first. Regards----Mike On Monday, October 27, 2014 3:20 PM, "'Douglas Harding' doug.harding@... [STMFC]" wrote: Yes EasyOff is a brand of oven cleaner. But I have had no experience in using it to strip freight cars of any kind. However a quick search turned up this testimony http://www.ipms-css.org/?page_id=35 Doug Harding |
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arved_grass
I believe the "active ingredient" in brake fluid is alcohol. ~90% alcohol is my first pick. Just last weekend, I stripped an old Mantua gondola in 91% alcohol. I have yet to see a Lifelike/P2K or P1K model that didn't strip clean in 91% alcohol (that's what the local Walmart and Walgreen sell). 70% is ineffective. Be sure to get the full strength stuff.
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Arved Grass Arved_Grass@... or Arved@... Fleming Island, Florida -------------------------------------------- On Mon, 10/27/14, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Subject: Re: [STMFC] easy off? stripping P2K cars To: "STMFC@..." <STMFC@...> Date: Monday, October 27, 2014, 3:17 PM Ed Mines asked: "Is easy off an oven cleaner?" Yes. http://www.easyoff.us/ I use oven cleaner as a stripper of last resort to deal with particularly stubborn paint. "Any other experience stripping P2K cars?" 90% isopropyl alcohol does the trick. 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Bob all true. But Ed specifically asked if easy off was an oven cleaner? And he started a new thread with the question, giving us no indication he was referring to Bruce’s message of last night.
Doug Harding
From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...]
Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 2:37 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Re: easy off? stripping P2K cars
Guys, Bruce said Easy LIFT Off, not Easy Off. Although I have read about using Easy Off to strip models, I have also read that it can do funky things to the plastic. I have no personal experience using oven cleaner to remove paint from models.
Here is a link to the Testors ELO page:
Regards, Bob Heninger Minot, ND
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Benjamin Hom
Bob Heninger wrote:
"Although I have read about using Easy Off to strip models, I have also read that it can do funky things to the plastic. I have no personal experience using oven cleaner to remove paint from models." As Mike Schleigh posted, the effective ingredient of oven cleaner is lye, and it is extremely effective. I've used it to cleanly strip models painted in thick coats of brushed-on enamels, but I also avoid leaving it on too long, use sealed containers during the soak time, and gloves, eye, and respiratory protection druing the final stages of paint removal. Ben Hom |
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Benjamin Hom
Arved Grass wrote:
"I believe the "active ingredient" in brake fluid is alcohol." Not quite. Most brake fluids are glycol-based. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DOT_3 Ben Hom |
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spsalso
I have used lye to strip AHM passenger cars. I found I could leave the cars in the solution (a VERY strong solution) indefinitely. As in several days. Maybe a couple of weeks, if I recall properly. I've never tried a lye solution on anything else. Yet.
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Marty McGuirk
It's been a few years since I've stripped a P2K car, but I always found ordinary rubbing alcohol worked just fine and didn't do anything bad to the plastic.
I put the parts to be stripped in a small tub of liquid, and let it soak for a few hours. The paint would come off in sheets - in fact I could see the rivet/rib details in the stripped paint! Marty McGuirk |
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Arved Grass wrote
> I believe the "active ingredient" in brake fluid is alcohol. There is definitely no alcohol in brake fluid. Brake fluid attacks rubber compounds in plastic -- many models use ABS plastic resins (the AB is for these compounds) and can be damaged by brake fluid. Brake fluid cleans up with dry gas or windshield washer fluid. Maybe that's why you thought it contains alcohol? The old P2K models stripped easily with isopropyl alcohol. I don't know about Walther's newer models using the P2K tooling. Tim O |
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arved_grass
I stand corrected! Old wives tale, perhaps.I should have checked the MSDS. Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@... Fleming Island, Florida From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] easy off? stripping P2K cars Arved Grass wrote
> I believe the "active ingredient" in brake fluid is alcohol. There is definitely no alcohol in brake fluid. Brake fluid attacks rubber compounds in plastic -- many models use ABS plastic resins (the AB is for these compounds) and can be damaged by brake fluid. Brake fluid cleans up with dry gas or windshield washer fluid. Maybe that's why you thought it contains alcohol? The old P2K models stripped easily with isopropyl alcohol. I don't know about Walther's newer models using the P2K tooling. Tim O |
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arved_grass
I stand corrected. Old wives tale,I believe. And it stuck due to the hygroscopic nature of brake fluid and alcohol. It's been years since I used it as a paint stripper. Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@... Fleming Island, Florida From: "Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC]" To: STMFC@... Sent: Monday, October 27, 2014 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [STMFC] easy off? stripping P2K cars Arved Grass wrote
> I believe the "active ingredient" in brake fluid is alcohol. There is definitely no alcohol in brake fluid. Brake fluid attacks rubber compounds in plastic -- many models use ABS plastic resins (the AB is for these compounds) and can be damaged by brake fluid. Brake fluid cleans up with dry gas or windshield washer fluid. Maybe that's why you thought it contains alcohol? The old P2K models stripped easily with isopropyl alcohol. I don't know about Walther's newer models using the P2K tooling. Tim O |
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rob.mclear3@...
I agree, I have a source for 100% alcohol and it removes paint of Proto models in sheets, relatively inexpensive as well.
Rob McLear Aussie |
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When all else fails, ask for an MSDS. I did and found that ScaleCoat Wash Away paint remover and Chameleon Paint Remover have the same active ingredients. Approximately 10% butyl cellosolve and the rest is 91% isopropyl alcohol. Smells just like the heavy duty whiteboard cleaner (as well as many other good household cleaners - butyl cellosolve is a good solvent!). I think the more scientifically correct name for butyl cellosolve is 2-butoxy ethanol (but my can of it is out in the garage right now). You can buy it at just about any Sherwin Williams paint store (but it is not usually on the shelves - it is a specialty item in the back warehouse). Have fun! P.S. Butyl cellosolve in water is the main ingredient of Chemp decal set and MicroScale MicroSol (not MicroSet - that is acetic acid) as well as the ORIGINAL Hobsco SolvaSet. -- John |
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