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Even Colored Car Roofs
Rod Miller
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504225&nseq=165 Nary a blotched roof in sight. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7 http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com |
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Nelson Moyer <ku0a@...>
The most surprising thing about this picture to me is the black stock car
roof. The information I have is that board roofs and underbodies were painted mineral red like the sides and ends. Apparently that wasn't universal. Unfortunately, not enough of the car shows for me to identify the class. Can anybody out figure out if this is an SM16/18 or SM19 stock car? Nelson Moyer From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Even Colored Car Roofs Clear color photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504225&nseq=165 Nary a blotched roof in sight. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7 http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com |
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arved_grass
I'll ask Jeff Swanson's question here, as it struck me, as well:
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"Why does the Fruit Growers Express reefer have 'F.H.I.X.' reporting marks? (I understand the 'X')" Thanks. That changes my mind a lot about modeling cars with paint failures on the roof. Should be a relatively rare exception given the sample in this photo. Arved Grass Arved_Grass@... or Arved@... Fleming Island, Florida -------------------------------------------- On Fri, 11/14/14, Rod Miller rod@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:
Subject: [STMFC] Even Colored Car Roofs To: STMFC@... Date: Friday, November 14, 2014, 3:27 PM Clear color photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504225&nseq=165 Nary a blotched roof in sight. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7 http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com |
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Chuck Higdon
Hello Nelson,
Are you sure that is a black roof? The walkway supports look like they were red at some point and I think I see some red "under the black dirt". Take care, Chuck Higdon From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 3:51 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: RE: [STMFC] Even Colored Car Roofs The most surprising thing about this picture to me is the black stock car roof. The information I have is that board roofs and underbodies were painted mineral red like the sides and ends. Apparently that wasn't universal. Unfortunately, not enough of the car shows for me to identify the class. Can anybody out figure out if this is an SM16/18 or SM19 stock car? Nelson Moyer From: STMFC@... [mailto:STMFC@...] Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:27 PM To: STMFC@... Subject: [STMFC] Even Colored Car Roofs Clear color photo: http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504225&nseq=165 Nary a blotched roof in sight. -- Rod Miller Handcraftsman === Custom 2-rail O Scale Models: Drives, | O Scale West / S West Repairs, Steam Loco Building, More | 2015 Meet is Feb 5 - 7 http://www.rodmiller.com | http://www.oscalewest.com |
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Tony Thompson
Rod Miller wrote:
Good photo to make the point, Rod. Richard Hendrickson and I agreed, and both of us said publicly, that many transition-era modelers exaggerate paint failure on roofs. Sure, it existed, but it was neither very common nor, in most cases, very severe. Today's freight cars, with different paint and different maintenance attitudes, are a different matter. As always, following a photo is a good procedure. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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gary laakso
As I noted before, this picture can be found as a full 2 page spread in the
Summer 2014 Classic Trains at pages 14 and 15. There are even colored
roofs but not from paint specs for the 4 CB&Q cars nor the Milwaukee ribbed
boxcar nor the NYC boxcar. Was the CNW boxcar roof painted black?
gary laakso
south of Mike Brock
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Rod Miller wrote:
Good photo to make the point, Rod. Richard
Hendrickson and I agreed, and both of us said publicly, that many transition-era
modelers exaggerate paint failure on roofs. Sure, it existed, but it was neither
very common nor, in most cases, very severe. Today's freight cars, with
different paint and different maintenance attitudes, are a different matter. As
always, following a photo is a good procedure.
Tony
Thompson
Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA
2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley,
CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com
(510) 540-6538; fax, (510)
540-1937; e-mail, tony@...
Publishers of books on
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http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=504225&nseq=165
"Why does the Fruit Growers Express reefer have 'F.H.I.X.' reporting marks?" Thanks. That changes my mind a lot about modeling cars with paint failures on the roof. Should be a relatively rare exception given the sample in this photo. Arved Grass Arved, really? From a sample size of about 10 cars including one nearly new reefer and 4 box cars that had unpainted galvanized roofs, you would infer that roof paint failure was rare? The only one I'm not sure about is that NYC box -- can't tell if the roof is original or a replacement but the car has post-1955 paint. The SP box car in the background originally had a painted roof -- but it's all worn off except for the seam caps. 1958 is the start of "my era" of modeling -- Lots of shiny new cars and plenty of older cars too. Great assortment in this photo! The "FHIX" stood for Fruit Growers Express, High Insulation" -- there were also WHIX cars for Western Fruit Express. These cars had 33% more cubic capacity than conventional 40 foot ice reefers. Tim P.S. If you need some photos of roof paint failure I can send you some. :-) |
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Tony Thompson
Tim O'Connor wrote:
As I said, Tim, Richard and I, on the basis of LOTS of photos, concluded what Arved concluded. Richard was, as you know, a most meticulous follower of prototype photos (the main reason he collected so many, more than 30,000). When attaching route cards on some of his models, he bent them slightly so that they do not lay flat on the route card board -- something you see in some photos. But he only represented roof paint failure, and that lightly, on a FEW of his more than 200 completed freight cars. You are right, 10 cars is too small a sample to mean much. But I believe your implication, that this sample tells the wrong story, is simply incorrect. Tony Thompson Editor, Signature Press, Berkeley, CA 2906 Forest Ave., Berkeley, CA 94705 www.signaturepress.com (510) 540-6538; fax, (510) 540-1937; e-mail, tony@... Publishers of books on railroad history |
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Tony
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I agree and disagree :-) Modelers often exaggerate it, but it was very common. In the industrial northeast before the EPA, the acid in the air was so severe that automobile roofs and lids would peel! I grew up in New Jersey in a soup of polluted air, and saw this frequently. Earl Scheib had plenty of customers in NJ/PA in those days. Tim O'Connor Clear color photo: |
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Yes the CNW box car roof was (and is) black, albeit faded and worn. The
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Rock Island box car next to it shows peeling on the roof. Tim O'Connor As I noted before, this picture can be found as a full 2 page spread in the Summer 2014 Classic Trains at pages 14 and 15. There are even colored roofs but not from paint specs for the 4 CB&Q cars nor the Milwaukee ribbed boxcar nor the NYC boxcar. Was the CNW boxcar roof painted black? |
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Richard modeled 1947. I model 11-20 years after that time period. A lot of stuff changed. But as I said, modelers often exaggerate the effect. You should see the damage that "modern" modelers do to their equipment -- I've seen models of 5 year old cars that look like they spent 40 years alternating between rain forest and desert, attacked by legions of graffiti artists. :-) But a sample size of 10 tells no story at all, if you're looking to extrapolate. Tim O'Connor As I said, Tim, Richard and I, on the basis of LOTS of photos, concluded what Arved concluded. Richard was, as you know, a most meticulous follower of prototype photos (the main reason he collected so many, more than 30,000). When attaching route cards on some of his models, he bent them slightly so that they do not lay flat on the route card board -- something you see in some photos. But he only represented roof paint failure, and that lightly, on a FEW of his more than 200 completed freight cars. |
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caboose9792@...
Also note the graffiti on the CB&Q boxcar a behind the
tender. I suspect that is old school involving a brush and a can of
paint.
Mark Rickert
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