Accurail USRA hopper


jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?

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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller asked:
"Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone
direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?"

What specific questions do you have?


Ben Hom


Tim O'Connor
 

Jon,

I'm not sure what you need to know. It's definitely the best plastic
HO model of the USRA twin hopper. The Tichy model has better detail,
but the panels are incorrectly spaced.

Tim O'

Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone
direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?


jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/2/2014 10:50 AM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
What specific questions do you have?

Ben Hom
    Ben, I think Tim answered my question, if most agree with that comment! 
"It's definitely the best plastic
HO model of the USRA twin hopper."
    I understand the typical Accurail items like molded grab iron, etc.
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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


np328
 


Jon, here is something I had copied off the STMFC some time ago, and then trimmed it further to reflect my area and era of modeling.

     I am sorry not to know who Mark's full name is who had posted this or when he posted this.

Is the following what you are looking in some part for?

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I've tried to round up a list of prototypes (or near matches) of  current Accurail models,  Here is my list: any improvements, are appreciated -- especially for those models appropriate for discussion on the STMFC list.

#2300 Canton Car Co. Great Northern Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2300.htm   GN 73000-73099 built 1929 and GN 73100-73199 built 1930 by Canton Car Co, Canton, OH

#2400 USRA Coal Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2400.htm
Original USRA design (year?).

#2700 55-Ton Wood Side Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2700.htm            NKP 30000-30749, built 1918

#2800 55-Ton Panel Side Twin Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2800.htm
USRA rebuilds by Union Metal Products. SLSF , RI , others.

#3700 41' AAR Steel Gondola
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/3700.htm    1941 AAR design built for ACL and GM&O.

#4100 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - wood doors and wood ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4100.htm            CN 500500-503499 cars built 1923, also AC and GTW.

#4300 40' Outside Braced Boxcar - wood doors and metal ends
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4300.htm
GTW 1 1/2 door auto cars rebuilt with single doors after reassignment  to CN.

#4600 USRA Double Sheath Wood Boxcar
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4600.htm
USRA double sheathed

#4800 40' Wood Refrigerator Car
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/4800.htm     BREX 75000-75999 built 1926, rebuilt without ice hatch platforms c. 1950.

#7500 70-Ton Offset-Side Triple Hopper
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/7500.htm
AAR standard of 1935. Production of the prototype cars began in the late 1930s and continued until at least 1960.
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Mark

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Jim Dick - St. Paul , Mn


Aley, Jeff A
 

Trying to “teach a man to fish” :

 

1) I only use Google Chrome as a browser.  That doesn’t mean that other browsers don’t work; it only means I haven’t tried them.

2) I find that Yahoo!Groups gave me a lot of problems when I blocked the ads that show up in the middle of all the messages.  When I unblocked those ads, things worked properly.

3) In this particular example, I went to https://groups.yahoo.com/neo .

4) Then I clicked on STMFC, which took me to https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/STMFC/conversations/messages .

5) The search box at the top says, “Search Conversations” in grey.  In that search box, I typed “Accurail USRA Hopper” and pressed

6) The search returned 421 results, including this thread.  I scrolled down to find messages that were relevant.  For example, there’s a thread called “Magazine needed” that indicates that Richard Hendrickson did an article in the May 1995 RMJ on upgrading the Accurail USRA hopper.  I bet that article has some really good info.  There are also threads on “new HO scale USRA hopper” that compare the MTH to the Accurail, and a thread on “ACCURAIL separate ladders & grabs” that might have useful info.

7) There are ony 16 results when I search for Accurail USRA hopper review, but perhaps these are more interesting to you.

 

Regards,

 

-Jeff

 

 

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Yahoo has been mostly good to me but searching is a NO. Could someone
direct me to comments on the Accurail hopper before I order some?

--

Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller wrote:
"I think Tim answered my question, if most agree with that comment!
'It's definitely the best plastic HO model of the USRA twin hopper.'
I understand the typical Accurail items like molded grab iron, etc."

True - the Accurail model is probably the best compromise between accuracy and price. For USRA twin hoppers in HO scale, it's definitely a question of what bothers you more - incorrect panel spacing, molded on details, incorrect paint schemes, high MSRP, or generally poor execution. Here's a rundown of what's out there in descending order of price (general comments only - you're on your own for specific analysis for given prototypes):

Bachmann (RTR, MSRP $32.00): For $32.00, you get a model with molded on grabs, chunky details, and paint schemes that could have been executed better.
http://shop.bachmanntrains.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=258_324_325_326

MTH (RTR, MSRP $29.99): Actually, it's pretty good, nicely detailed with separate grabs and detailed brake system. The main problem with this model is the lack of accurate paint schemes - this release contains questionable (ex: PRR Shadow Keystone for a 300-car class largely retired by the adoption of this paint scheme) or completely bogus (WM, CN, VGN, UP) paint schemes. At least they got the correct car class this time for the B&O cars, and the P&LE cars do have the correct scheme for panel-side cars rebuilt back to flat sides. YMMV - it's a bit much for me to spend $30 on a model to have to dump it in stripper to get it right.
http://www.mthtrains.com/ho/spotlight/02_2014/a

Tichy (Undecorated kit, MSRP $14.50, sometimes available RTR and decorated from Intermountain): Exquisitely detailed, but flawed - the two center panels are wider than that of the prototype (see a side-by-side comparison with the prototype in the files section). You have to decide if this bothers you or not.
https://www.tichytraingroup.com/Shop/tabid/91/c/ho_freight-car-kits/p/4027/Default.aspx

Accurail (Kit, MSRP $15.98): As previously noted, molded-on details but not grossly oversized; wide variety of paint schemes (some not for USRA cars); 2400-series (as built paint schemes) cars will need to have brake details backdated; some 2500-series cars will need Andrews trucks. Best compromise between price and accuracy.
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2400.htm
http://www.accurail.com/accurail/2500.htm

Varney/Life-Like ("RTR", can't throw a rock at a train show without hitting one): Included as someone will invariably bring it up. Half-century old tooling; undersized. Dirt cheap, though, and may be valuable for kitbashing Bob Karig's early common standard hopper. (However, once I get this project done, [fill in the blank] company will issue the model that Bob championed.]

Walthers also offered a USRA twin a few years back - no idea where they got their tooling. Photos of the model looked a lot like the Accurail model.




Ben Hom


jon miller <atsfus@...>
 

On 12/2/2014 12:23 PM, Benjamin Hom b.hom@... [STMFC] wrote:
True - the Accurail model is probably the best compromise between accuracy and price.


Thanks Ben, for that complete rundown.  I saw a new ad from Accurail for some Pennsy cars and lacking all my books (here) this three pack looked good.

http://accurail.com/accurail/CATALOG/2014/2014_December.pdf

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Jon Miller
For me time stopped in 1941
Digitrax--Chief/Zephyr systems, JMRI User
NMRA Life member #2623
Member SFRH&MS


Benjamin Hom
 

Jon Miller wrote:



"I saw a new ad from Accurail for some Pennsy cars and lacking all my books (here) this three pack looked good."
http://accurail.com/accurail/CATALOG/2014/2014_December.pdf

Jon, if time stopped for you in 1941, these won't do. This black hopper car scheme wasn't adopted by the Pennsy until 1957 for new cars. Also, as I mentioned in the rundown, I don't like PRR USRA twin hoppers (Class GLD) in the later paint schemes as they were pretty rare by the time these were adopted - 30 cars in 1955 (Freight Car Color/Shadow Keystone); 4 cars in 1958, gone by 1960.

Manufacturers love the USRA twin because you can issue them in a lot of legitimate paint schemes, but model railroaders are fooled into thinking these cars were the most numerous on a given road's roster. This is far from the truth - the PRR only had 300 of these cars. To put this in context, there were over 30,000 Class GLA twins (Bowser).


Ben Hom


Eric Hansmann
 

Now that Ben has offered a nice overview of HO scale USRA hoppers that can be purchased, here are a couple of links for detail upgrade ideas.

I model 1926 and am happy to use the Accurail models in the as-built paint and lettering. I described backdating the brakes to a KD system and installing wire grabs only for the freestanding details on this blog post. 


I upgraded a six pack of B&O hoppers to reflect details noted in a prototype photo of some late 1940s rebuilds. These were done for a club and minimal extra detail was installed.


I hope these blog posts inspire a few upgrades.

Eric Hansmann
El Paso, TX


Bill Welch
 

Ben, and anyone interested:

What do you think the chances are that if I bet I was the only one active in this Group that despite the panel problem I prefer the Tichy USRA hopper, would I lose any money? The ease of detailing without having remove poor details is what it is about in this case. I have built all I plan to for NC&StL and CC&O but still need to build more for the L&N.

Bill Welch


Tim O'Connor
 

I have 3 built Tichy cars (B&O and C&S) and more kits. They're very good
looking models, in spite of the dimensional problem. But they are delicate
and lightweight -- they'd never survive at the train club.

Tim O'

Ben, and anyone interested:

What do you think the chances are that if I bet I was the only one active in this Group that despite the panel problem I prefer the Tichy USRA hopper, would I lose any money? The ease of detailing without having remove poor details is what it is about in this case. I have built all I plan to for NC&StL and CC&O but still need to build more for the L&N.

Bill Welch


Benjamin Hom
 

Bill Welch wrote:



"What do you think the chances are that if I bet I was the only one active in this Group that despite the panel problem I prefer the Tichy USRA hopper, would I lose any money? The ease of detailing without having remove poor details is what it is about in this case. I have built all I plan to for NC&StL and CC&O but still need to build more for the L&N."

You'd probably lose money. As I stated before, your choice of model depends on what bothers you the most. I'm sure there are folks here who are perfectly happy with their Tichy USRA hoppers. Personally, I hate detailing hoppers, and have done far more "tan dot" than "green dot" cars to be able to meet the needs of the various groups and people for whom I build models. As always, YMMV.


Ben Hom


Clark Propst
 

I prefer the Tichy USRA hopper, would I lose any money? Bill Welch
 
Taking what Bill wrote literally I try to run my rolling stock inventory, sort of, like a business. But, with play value as the bottom line. My inventory is always a bit fuzzy as I buy often and sell more often. Mainly because of learning more about customer shipping practices during the time I model. Always less than we’d think/like. I’ve cut about a half hour off my ops time because of more realistic spotting frequencies. Part of an upcoming RPM presentation...
 
I would get more play value from building a Tichy hopper than an Accurail. I don’t own a single Tichy hopper, but my hopper roster is top heavy with Accurails. Why, cause I use 10 of them in my ops and think it’s a pain to detail
hoppers. I did detail one of Stan’s Wabash panel side kits. Reminded me of why I didn’t detail the Accurails  ;  ))
 
Last time I wrote about upgrading a roster it turned into a wish list again. So this time I’ll start  ;  )) For my purposes I’d like to see a IC and/or a CB&Q 2 bay hopper, or at least learn how to model the CB&Q car. There was a presentation about them at Naperville a couple years ago, but the presenter didn’t explain the process, or maybe I didn’t retain the information? 
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


genegreen1942@...
 

I have both Tichy and Accurail USRA hopper cars, two of each I think, but, since they don't exactly look alike, I put them in different number series.  I remember adding lots of brake detail to the old MDC covered hopper cars.  Seemed well worth while since the detail is so visible.  Why would open top hoppers be different?

Which reminds me, I should sell all those M&StL covered hoppers done up in the three C&NW paint schemes since they don't fit my operating scheme.  Ebay here I come.

Gene Green


Benjamin Hom
 

Clark Propst wrote:
"For my purposes I’d like to see a IC and/or a CB&Q 2 bay hopper, or at least learn how to model the CB&Q car. There was a presentation about them at Naperville a couple years ago, but the presenter didn’t explain the process, or maybe I didn’t retain the information?"

Which specific IC and/or CB&Q 2 bay hoppers? Or a fleet of them?


Ben Hom


Clark Propst
 

Seemed well worth while since the detail is so visible. Why would open top hoppers be different?  Gene Green
 
Well Gene, I don’t detail covered hoppers either  ;  )) The main reason is they all look alike. Meaning of course the M&StL 1958s. I did rearrange the hatches on half of my 6 car fleet for a different number series. Had to apply the road name decals differently too.

Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Clark Propst
 

Which specific IC and/or CB&Q 2 bay hoppers?  Ben Hom
 
Heck I don’t know Ben? The ones with the seam along the side. Just would like one or two IC and CB&Q hoppers to break up the monotony of home road cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Richard Townsend
 

In one of the BRHS data sheets there's some info on building one of the CB&Q hoppers you describe from an Athearn hopper.  It's basically "scribe a seam half way up the side."  I'll try to remember to send Clark a copy when I get home tonight.  I'm building one right now (or more accurately, there's a half-built one on my work bench), adding Archer rivets as well as replacing the molder hand holds.  I suppose brake equipment will be included as well.
 
Richard Townsend
Lincoln City, Oregon
 
 

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From: cepropst@q.com [STMFC]
To: STMFC Sent: Wed, Dec 3, 2014 2:00 pm
Subject: [STMFC] Re: Accurail USRA hopper

 
Which specific IC and/or CB&Q 2 bay hoppers?  Ben Hom
 
Heck I don’t know Ben? The ones with the seam along the side. Just would like one or two IC and CB&Q hoppers to break up the monotony of home road cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa


Garth Groff <sarahsan@...>
 

Clark,

CB&Q had some 1944 "war emergency" hoppers with wooden sides in series 194000-194999. Some of these lasted into the 1970s with their wooden sides intact. Subsidiary C&S owned USRA hoppers in series 18000-18299, some lasting to around 1980.

Yours Aye,


Garth Groff


On 12/3/14 5:00 PM, cepropst@q.com [STMFC] wrote:
 

Which specific IC and/or CB&Q 2 bay hoppers?  Ben Hom
 
Heck I don’t know Ben? The ones with the seam along the side. Just would like one or two IC and CB&Q hoppers to break up the monotony of home road cars.
Clark Propst
Mason City Iowa