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arved_grass

Could you look into availability of Red Caboose X29 boxcars? I'm primarily interested in RC 7005s, but RC 7002 would also work for me. I believe the patch panels are available in etched brass now.

The "Undecorated Kit Listing" shows them as in stock, but when I go to the individual cars,7002 shows "Kits may be in limited supply"/Low Stock, and 7005 shows "Kits may be in limited supply"/Out of Stock. I'm not sure how up to date the stock listing is.

I'd like to avoid buying Walthers/Trainline models. They have molded on grabs and ladders, whereas the RC kits have them separate. I don't know of another option for the X29. Perhaps old Train Miniature, but I doubt they'll be any better  than the Walthers models.

Thanks,
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

arved_grass

#130887

Sorry. This was meant off-list for Andy Carlson, and I evidently neglected to change the addressee.

Voluntarily placing myself in moderator lockup,
Arved Grass
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On Thu, 1/15/15, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: [STMFC] Ye Old X29
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 9:50 AM


  









       Could you look into availability of Red Caboose X29
 boxcars? I'm primarily interested in RC 7005s, but RC
 7002 would also work for me. I believe the patch panels are
 available in etched brass now.



 The "Undecorated Kit Listing" shows them as in
 stock, but when I go to the individual cars,7002 shows
 "Kits may be in limited supply"/Low Stock, and
 7005 shows "Kits may be in limited supply"/Out of
 Stock. I'm not sure how up to date the stock listing
 is.



 I'd like to avoid buying Walthers/Trainline models. They
 have molded on grabs and ladders, whereas the RC kits have
 them separate. I don't know of another option for the
 X29. Perhaps old Train Miniature, but I doubt they'll be
 any better  than the Walthers models.

 

 Thanks,

 Arved Grass

 Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...

 Fleming Island, Florida













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Bruce Smith

#130890

Arved, Folks,

Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliver’s Yarmouth Model Works. They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce

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Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Could you look into availability of Red Caboose X29 boxcars? I'm primarily interested in RC 7005s, but RC 7002 would also work for me. I believe the patch panels are available in etched brass now.

<SNIP>

Thanks,
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

naptownprr

#130899

Arved,

I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

Jim Hunter

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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 12:12 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ye Old X29

Arved, Folks,

Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliver’s Yarmouth Model Works. They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jan 15, 2015, at 8:50 AM, Arved Grass arved_grass@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Could you look into availability of Red Caboose X29 boxcars? I'm primarily interested in RC 7005s, but RC 7002 would also work for me. I believe the patch panels are available in etched brass now.

Thanks,
Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

Tim O'Connor

#130903

Bruce

Seriously?? That's news to me... how thick are these etchings? They'd have to
be almost all thin as foil wouldn't they, like .003 or less?

Tim O'

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Arved, Folks, 

Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliverâ€™s Yarmouth Model Works.  They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce

Tim O'Connor

#130905

Jim

True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the carbody styles and
they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version with dreadnaught
ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

Tim O'Connor

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I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

Jim Hunter

Bruce Smith

#130909

Tim,

Semantically speaking, they don’t have to be any particular thickness. However, to be prototypic thickness they would need to be around 0.009” for 3/4” plate and 0.006” for 1/2” plate steel. I have not measured them with a micrometer but they are most likely 0.010”, as they were probably etched from 0.020” so they are pretty close to 3/4” plate. I have not painted them yet, but they look pretty good to my eye.

Regards

Bruce

Bruce F. Smith

Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

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On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Bruce

Seriously?? That's news to me... how thick are these etchings? They'd have to
be almost all thin as foil wouldn't they, like .003 or less?

Tim O'

Arved, Folks,

Just to clarify, the etched X29 patch panels that I showed at Cocoa were created by Peter Aue and will be sold through Pierre Oliverâ?Ts Yarmouth Model Works. They are not yet available.

Regards

Bruce

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Bruce Smith

#130910

No to mention that there were many different patch patterns of one or more panels, but not complete sides. The etched panels come in single panels and full sides make a wide range of possible combos by combing or timing etched parts. Now, what I really want to see is someone do the original patch panels, which were inside the old panels

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Bruce

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Jim

True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the carbody styles and
they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version with dreadnaught
ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

Tim O'Connor

I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

Jim Hunter

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#130912

There is also a foil material which is used by automobile modelers to represent chrome, and which Bill Darnaby once used to put a patch on a W&LE X29-type car. I can't recall the name of the stuff, but I tried it once successfully. I figure it could be cut into different shapes and lengths as well.

I'm also intending to model an X29 that needs patching but hasn't been shopped yet.

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Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:20 PM
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Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ye Old X29

No to mention that there were many different patch patterns of one or more panels, but not complete sides. The etched panels come in single panels and full sides make a wide range of possible combos by combing or timing etched parts. Now, what I really want to see is someone do the original patch panels, which were inside the old panels

Regards

Bruce

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On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Jim

True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the carbody styles and
they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version with dreadnaught
ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

Tim O'Connor

I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

Jim Hunter

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asychis@...

#130913

FYI, The Amarillo Railroad Museum has Red Caboose X29's with patch panels both the Merchandise scheme (white banner, 12 numbers) and express boxcars (six numbers) in the shadow keystone scheme. www.amarillorailmuseum.com.

Jerry Michels

naptownprr

#130914

sorry, forget to sign that last.

Jim Hunter

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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
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There is also a foil material which is used by automobile modelers to represent chrome, and which Bill Darnaby once used to put a patch on a W&LE X29-type car. I can't recall the name of the stuff, but I tried it once successfully. I figure it could be cut into different shapes and lengths as well.

I'm also intending to model an X29 that needs patching but hasn't been shopped yet.

From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 3:20 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: Re: [STMFC] Ye Old X29

No to mention that there were many different patch patterns of one or more panels, but not complete sides. The etched panels come in single panels and full sides make a wide range of possible combos by combing or timing etched parts. Now, what I really want to see is someone do the original patch panels, which were inside the old panels

Regards

Bruce

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Auburn, AL

https://www5.vetmed.auburn.edu/~smithbf/

"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

On Jan 15, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

Jim

True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the carbody styles and
they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version with dreadnaught
ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

Tim O'Connor

I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a 'patch' side: RC-7201.

Jim Hunter

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Bruce Smith

#130916

Bare metal foil. I used a knock off of that on an X29 that I did in the PRRPro X29 project and I think was published in TKM . Works great - the rivets from below show right through. Painting was a pain because the foil was metalic and silver. Ultimately, I painted the car silver and then pre-shaded the panel lines and patch panel with black Sharpie marker before painting Freight Car Color (FCC). That worked great.

Regards

Bruce

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On Jan 15, 2015, at 2:41 PM, 'Hunter, James R.' jhunter@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

There is also a foil material which is used by automobile modelers to represent chrome, and which Bill Darnaby once used to put a patch on a W&LE X29-type car. I can't recall the name of the stuff, but I tried it once successfully. I figure it could be cut into different shapes and lengths as well.

I'm also intending to model an X29 that needs patching but hasn't been shopped yet.

destorzek@...

#130922

---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

"Semantically speaking, they don’t have to be any particular thickness. However, to be prototypic thickness they would need to be around 0.009” for 3/4” plate and 0.006” for 1/2” plate steel."

1/2" plate... 3/4" plate? Seriously? It always amazes me, for as picky as the RPM guys claim to be, how clueless they are about material sizes. Most prototype steel boxcars were sheathed with 10 ga. steel, which, at about .135" thick, is just a bit thicker than 1/8". This would properly represented in HO by material .002" thick... yeah, heavy foil. Even if one wanted to bump the thickness up a bit so it doesn't get buried in paint, .003 or .004 would be about the max.

That's not saying that Pierre's product won't be that thickness, as I believe Peter has done some etching work with .005" stock. Pierre?

Dennis Storzek

Pierre Oliver

#130924

Hi there!
I can't help much on this one just yet. I've yet to see the patch panels in person or as a photo. And I can't recall what thickness they are etched in. Sorry.
Please be patient and all will be revealed.

Pierre Oliver
www.elgincarshops.com
www.yarmouthmodelworks.com

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---In STMFC@..., wrote :

"Semantically speaking, they don’t have to be any particular thickness. However, to be prototypic thickness they would need to be around 0.009” for 3/4” plate and 0.006” for 1/2” plate steel."

1/2" plate... 3/4" plate? Seriously? It always amazes me, for as picky as the RPM guys claim to be, how clueless they are about material sizes. Most prototype steel boxcars were sheathed with 10 ga. steel, which, at about .135" thick, is just a bit thicker than 1/8". This would properly represented in HO by material .002" thick... yeah, heavy foil. Even if one wanted to bump the thickness up a bit so it doesn't get buried in paint, .003 or .004 would be about the max.

That's not saying that Pierre's product won't be that thickness, as I believe Peter has done some etching work with .005" stock. Pierre?

Dennis Storzek

Bruce Smith

#130925

Hey Dennis,

I think about tanks… you know… 3” or more. So 1/2”… that seems pretty thin to me <VBG>! X29 patch panels do have an obvious step and weld fillet (not weld bead) with the original side plates.

Regards

Bruce

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"Some days you are the bug, some days you are the windshield."

Show quoted text

On Jan 15, 2015, at 3:38 PM, destorzek@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

---In STMFC@..., <smithbf@...> wrote :

"Semantically speaking, they don’t have to be any particular thickness. However, to be prototypic thickness they would need to be around 0.009” for 3/4” plate and 0.006” for 1/2” plate steel."

1/2" plate... 3/4" plate? Seriously? It always amazes me, for as picky as the RPM guys claim to be, how clueless they are about material sizes. Most prototype steel boxcars were sheathed with 10 ga. steel, which, at about .135" thick, is just a bit thicker than 1/8". This would properly represented in HO by material .002" thick... yeah, heavy foil. Even if one wanted to bump the thickness up a bit so it doesn't get buried in paint, .003 or .004 would be about the max.

That's not saying that Pierre's product won't be that thickness, as I believe Peter has done some etching work with .005" stock. Pierre?

Dennis Storzek

Bill Welch

#130928

Anything Peter Aue does will be accurate, fine, and gorgeous IMO and experience.

Bill Welch

arved_grass

#130938

Bruce showed patches that were both half width (that is, from the end to the door, on both sides of the door) as well as individual panel patches.

Being naiive and unfamiliar with the RC X29 model, and the PRR in general, how did RC patch it? What was usually done?

Yes, I've learned the addage "every modeler ends up being a PRR modeler." I'm just way late to the game on this one.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
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On Thu, 1/15/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ye Old X29
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 2:48 PM

 Jim

 True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the
 carbody styles and

 they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version
 with dreadnaught

 ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

 Tim O'Connor

 >I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you
 should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a
 'patch' side: RC-7201.

 >

 >Jim Hunter

arved_grass

#130939

Is it safe to assume these didn't venture far from home rails, and would be of little or no interest to a modeler of Southern Pacfiic's Coast Line? Or might an express car have ended up on the Coast Mail in anything resembling a regular basis?

Both cars have the "shadow keystone" logo introduced in 1954. I'm trying to stick to 1953.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/15/15, asychis@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: [STMFC] Re: Ye Old X29
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 3:42 PM

 FYI,  The Amarillo Railroad Museum has Red
 Caboose X29's with patch
 panels both the Merchandise scheme (white banner, 12
 numbers) and express
 boxcars (six numbers) in the shadow keystone scheme.  www.amarillorailmuseum.com.

 Jerry Michels

Bruce Smith

#130941

Arved,

The RC patch panels are "half width" and on both sides of the door (so really full-width).  What was usual is a good question.  Initially, patches were just the end panel or 2 panels.  Patch height often varied between 1 an 2 feet.  Then patches could be most, but not all of the panels.  As the cars rotted even more, patches became more uniform and basically patched from the door opening to the end of the car.

Regards
Bruce Smith
Auburn, AL
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From: STMFC@... [STMFC@...]
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2015 9:24 PM
To: STMFC@...
Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ye Old X29

Bruce showed patches that were both half width (that is, from the end to the door, on both sides of the door) as well as individual panel patches.

Being naiive and unfamiliar with the RC X29 model, and the PRR in general, how did RC patch it? What was usually done?

Yes, I've learned the addage "every modeler ends up being a PRR modeler." I'm just way late to the game on this one.

Arved Grass
Arved_Grass@... or Arved@...
Fleming Island, Florida

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On Thu, 1/15/15, Tim O'Connor timboconnor@... [STMFC] <STMFC@...> wrote:

 Subject: RE: [STMFC] Ye Old X29
 To: STMFC@...
 Date: Thursday, January 15, 2015, 2:48 PM

 Jim

 True, and RC did a good job -- but it's only ONE of the
 carbody styles and

 they made 4 different bodies (1923, 1924, 1928 and a version
 with dreadnaught

 ends). 1950's modelers need to patch all of them.

 Tim O'Connor

 >I'm sure the etched panels are beautiful, but you
 should know that Red Caboose released a run of X29 with a
 'patch' side: RC-7201.

 >

 >Jim Hunter

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Benjamin Hom

#130944

Arved Grass wrote:
"Is it safe to assume these didn't venture far from home rails, and would be of little or no interest to a modeler of Southern Pacfic's Coast Line? Or might an express car have ended up on the Coast Mail in anything resembling a regular basis?"

You haven't been doing too well with assumptions lately.  Express service X29s traveled far and wide from PRR home rails.  For example, magazines were shipped weekly from New York to the west coast, often in X29s or Class B60B baggage cars.  You may not have seen them on the Coast Mail, but you definitely would have seen them crossing Donner Pass.

"Both cars have the "shadow keystone" logo introduced in 1954. I'm trying to stick to 1953."
If you want an express X29 for 1953, do a Circle Keystone car.
http://prr.railfan.net/freight/freightphotos.html?photo=http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/prr/prr-xm-9495.jpg&fr=

Ben Hom